That's the point, Gus. Web sites change. Information disappears... So, people coming to the forum looking for answers are faced with a disfunctional data base.

The forum CAN provide and aquire an institutional style memery IF people describe and work to get thru people's particular dilemmas... Posting a link or saying download the JTIS is bullcrap and lazy...it's wise *** know it all, childish. Perpetuating a crap culture...

I work for many volunteer organizations... Any organization worth it's salt will regularly check into the institutional health of,,,, itself. Because people who have been around a while get crabby, stuck in their ways, impatient with the MOST IMPORTANT people in the room. The NEW PEOPLE... It's the new people, the inexperienced, that give this forum meaning... If the people didn't come asking,didnt have questions,,, didn't need guidance or could just go online and download and do a search for answers,,, what would be the point? Why have a forum? Why would we need, You?

Personally, for some members, I think the group needs a SERIOUS "community conscious" check up...

Telling someone with a question to - go look it up is ridiculous...

More,,, it teaches bad habits to new people who stick around. They will adopt, lazy, know it all and snotty. More,,, a HUGE amount of learning happens in the process of taking the time to describe and troubleshoot solutions (they are NOT all the same),,, as a short, medium or long term experienced member. It keeps it green, keeps people sharp. That's where the heart of a volunteer forum is... The magic.

Lol,,, should I post a link about group or institutional conscious? Jeeeeze Louise...

 

So sorry that you are not pleased with my links. I have been on this forum since 2008 and moderator for several years. I developed a webpage with links and procedures to help others and it seems to be working for many. Why links? I do this so I do not need to tell the same story twice and to prevent leaving out an important part of the procedure and I do it at my leisure. If a linked procedure provides you the information you are looking for then what is the problem?

This forum has several links and procedures bookmarked in the FAQ and I do hope it will help you along.

 

This forum helps me greatly. I rely on it and could not afford this machine if not for it. I am grateful... This is true for my newly acquired xk8, xkr, xjs and Porsche 928. And, an old bike... Again. Super grateful.

At the same time I know alllllllllll to well how it feels to come on a forum, needing, and be given a link, told to read more, or to do something else as opposed to having someone to engage with as I proceed with the task at hand. There is a difference (on the end of the loser who hasn't had a car like this for 12yrs) between that kind of attention & guidance,,, and a link or a suggestion to go and read and try to decipher a 4000 page jaguar manual...written in tech terms as opposed to human to human.

I know that I'm right (which doesn't happen often) in what I'm saying, lol

I love this forum... It's kinda all I got!

 

I use the search function 1st, & (2nd, and 3rd too )



99% of the time I find so much information via the search that its redundant to start a new thread in order to move forward

the times I have started a new topic the members here were quick to help out with my issue of the day.

One cannot overstate the expertise this forum represents. My ‘02’XKR would have had a great deal of down time had I not been able to use this forum to keep it on the road 100%’of the time I’ve owned it.

Z

 

My woeful story: I am in the middle of this job now, on a two-pump, 2001 XKR Convertible. I think she had been running on one pump, for most of her 12 years with us. Since the car is never driven, the sole survior finally packed it in. With much trepidation, I chose to cut an 8.25 inch hole in the boot area. With a new 'saw' and a heavy duty rental right angle drill, that went very well. Two musts: slide in the sheet steel or you will damage the tank top, and prepare to vacuum up lots of sharp steel splinters (wear saftey glasses and gloves). Having access to the top of the tank, I thought I was 3/4 home. Hardly. The frustration was just beginning. There is almost no space anywhere, to to anything, all while twisted like a pretzel in the backseat area. Getting two of the three hoses off was near impossible, the electrical connectors seemed 'fused. But after long stops and start so let my fingertips (and back and legs and forearm) recover, I was able to remove the 'top'. Now the real fun began. Let me confirm you are dealing with 6mm hose clamp nuts, and 7mm pump lock-down nuts. The work is completly BLIND, as with your hand inside the tank, you see nothing. I tried every combination of sockets, extenders, ratchets I had in the chest, but could not get purchase on the hold down nuts. Also, they are torqued TIGHT! I went out and bought a 7mm stubby ratcheting wrench. That did the trick, out came Pump #1. HOWEVER, on Pump #2, the machine screw is stripped out in its thread grooves (not its head), and just spins without backing out. There is so little room to work, I'm at an impass. I cannot even 'see' the problem. The good news, I guess, is that I will be able to install one new pump, and get her back on the road. In hindsight, I would have pulled the tank, as then you can SEE what you are doing, and move around the better get at things.

 

Ugh... And you have to do it all while sitting on top of a gasoline bomb. I hate that job.

Can you jam a pick underneath the thread grooves to lift them enough to engage the screw threads?

 

The tank is not really that hard to slide into the boot above the spare wheel if you use a car lift.
On the ground with jack stand might be difficult?(never tried it)
The fuel lines are a pain to disconnect(as well as the EVAP FLANGE lines) but that is the only way I will do the job.
I will admit to some 'shortcuts' on some procedures (and Jaguar finally approved some of them) but the fuel pumps were never on that list.
Just don't 'drag' the tank out with the lines connected. People try it to get it out far enough and regret bending/damaging the NO LONGER AVAILABLE fuel lines.

 

I did this job on my 99 last year. I removed the tank. I dropped the subframe in the end and changed the diff oil while it was down. I managed to undo the exhaust bolts connecting it to the cage though a bit fiddly. Patience! Advantage of doing this is you get to have a good look at the subframe and a clean up in that area. Also with the tank out you can properley clean inside the tank. Mine had new fuel pumps only 3 years previously fitted by others but the sludge in the tank killed them. One thing i would recommend before disconecting the fuel pipes is to work them up and down on the joint carefully while spraying with wd40. It may sound like a lot of work but i managed it all on my own. Took my time and plodded on. I enjoy working on my cars and enjoyed the chance to clean everything up and protect underneath in that area. Depends what you want i suppose, if your not handy with the spanners then you can always pay. These cars are my hobby so guess im lucky , though it doesnt feel like it at times!

 

Never knew there were lock down nutts in some models... Sorry for your pain. Sounds like that stripped screw is what set you back... I hate stripped nuts and bolts. Can turn anything easily into a game changing nightmare...

I love the cut back dash access thing. Have not had a single regret. With the basket type pump mount all that's needed is a quick quarter turn and and a push tab to disconnect fuel line and the pump is out. I highly recommend it... I didn't cut a circle, I cut a triangle/rectangle shaped thing (trapezoid) that I just fold up... Strip of metal still connected to the cutout just under the rear window. When done I just push it back down into place and close with aluminum foil duct tape.

For the stripped screw. I have some little 4-5 inch pry bars with a small nail slot at the end. Is it possible to wedge up on the screw while you turn, or is two hands impossible? What about using the pry bar and a strong rubber band applying tension making that one hand free to deal with the screw?

If I was in your spot I think I would pull the tank. Sounds like your like me,,, I love this ****...

Trying to figure out how to make my own dipstick tube now. I gotta. That sealed for life idea is the stupidest thing going!

 

Days of back bending, forearm scraping and fingertip pulping work, and I could not remove the second pump bracket nut. I was going to just go with one pump, but in a eureka moment, I realized there was ample room in the sump 'bucket', to just drop the second pump in. Gravity holds the filter sock at the bottom of the tank, and the bucket keeps it in place. I now have two working pumps, and a never to be removed, dummy 3rd.
One other note: I had real trouble with the electrical connectors at the pumps they just did not want to come apart.
Car fired right up, and will get on the road today, for maybe its first post-Covid journey. This site is a wonderful resource, as were the YouTube videoes owners have posted.