How many variations are there for F Type brakes
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How many variations are there for F Type brakes
Hi guys,
i was at a local mall
( The Short Hills Mall ) today. The was a red color F Type SVR coupe with black interior inside the malls, roped off with the velvet ropes, on did play for customers to see. I took notice of the brakes, as they were not the carbon ceramic brake setup. They were red but these brakes looks like a lower level brake than what's on my 2017 R Coupe. The front brakes did not have the Jaguar name logo and looked different than my brakes. They looked like a lower level/quality brake caliper.
So my question is, how many levels are there for choosing the brakes. I thought it's only two. Is it three ?
i was at a local mall
( The Short Hills Mall ) today. The was a red color F Type SVR coupe with black interior inside the malls, roped off with the velvet ropes, on did play for customers to see. I took notice of the brakes, as they were not the carbon ceramic brake setup. They were red but these brakes looks like a lower level brake than what's on my 2017 R Coupe. The front brakes did not have the Jaguar name logo and looked different than my brakes. They looked like a lower level/quality brake caliper.
So my question is, how many levels are there for choosing the brakes. I thought it's only two. Is it three ?
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Four levels of brakes.
Performance = 355 mm front and 326 mm rear.
High Performance = 380 mm front and 326 mm rear.
Super Performance = 380 mm front and 376 mm rear.
Carbon Ceramic Matrix = 400 mm front and 390 mm rear.
All of the non-CCM rear brakes are single piston, as are the 355 mm front brakes, and the 380 mm front brakes are twin piston.
Base caliper colour is grey, black and red are optional colours on the High Performance and Super Performance brakes, as are logos/decals/stickers.
Performance = 355 mm front and 326 mm rear.
High Performance = 380 mm front and 326 mm rear.
Super Performance = 380 mm front and 376 mm rear.
Carbon Ceramic Matrix = 400 mm front and 390 mm rear.
All of the non-CCM rear brakes are single piston, as are the 355 mm front brakes, and the 380 mm front brakes are twin piston.
Base caliper colour is grey, black and red are optional colours on the High Performance and Super Performance brakes, as are logos/decals/stickers.
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Wow, 4 levels of brakes ....
Thanks for the info guys. I had no idea it was that many. Based on what i saw on the SVR F TYPE coupe, it's brake setup was the high performance brakes, and definately NOT the super performance brakes as they did not have the Jaguar name logo on the front calipers, and the brakes looked much different than what's on my car. The question is why .... Why would the dealer order the SVR model with such flimsy brake setup. At least have the super performance brakes on this car. And the car is on display at a shopping mall to promote the brand. I heard three young guys goofing on the cars flimsy brakes. They called the brakes ***** cat brakes. Thats what made me take notice of the brakes and realizing these brake look completely different than what is on my car.
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Thanks for the info guys. I had no idea it was that many. Based on what i saw on the SVR F TYPE coupe, it's brake setup was the high performance brakes, and definately NOT the super performance brakes as they did not have the Jaguar name logo on the front calipers, and the brakes looked much different than what's on my car. The question is why .... Why would the dealer order the SVR model with such flimsy brake setup. At least have the super performance brakes on this car. And the car is on display at a shopping mall to promote the brand. I heard three young guys goofing on the cars flimsy brakes. They called the brakes ***** cat brakes. Thats what made me take notice of the brakes and realizing these brake look completely different than what is on my car.
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I wanted to take a picture of the brakes
But i didn't have my phone with me. I'm not imaging this, the front brake calipers were red color but completely different looking than my car's front caliper. It was a different design/appearance and there was no JAGUAR logo name affixed on the front brake caliper.
The car has quad exhaust pipes, SVR seats, SVR front bumper and SVR badge on the rear bumper area.
But the brakes ...... I don't know !
How is this possible.
The car has quad exhaust pipes, SVR seats, SVR front bumper and SVR badge on the rear bumper area.
But the brakes ...... I don't know !
How is this possible.
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Found photos on their website here: New 2017 Jaguar F-TYPE For Sale | Madison NJ | VIN: SAJWJ6J87HMK39596
Yup, an SVR without carbon ceramic brakes. Perhaps due to wheel choice?
Yup, an SVR without carbon ceramic brakes. Perhaps due to wheel choice?
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The picture is a bit blurry but that looks like 380 mm brakes to me, judging by both the size of the rotor and the size and shape of the caliper and anti-rattle clip.
I have a fair idea what the 380 mm brakes look like, having them on both my XFR and F-Type and having taken the wheels off both many times, as well as cleaning the calipers, painting the calipers, applying decals and replacing the rotors and brake pads quite a few times.
As ShaunPA said the standard brakes on the SVR are the Super Performance brakes, and I'm betting that is what this car has, and for some reason it doesn't have the Jaguar logos/decals/stickers on the anti-rattle clips. Then again it might have but they could be very faint/faded, the logos on my brakes had faded away so much you could barely see them so I stuck new logos on. I put the fading down to the age and mileage on the car when I got it, 18 months old and 18,000 miles, but maybe they came that way from the factory? They were a yellow/gold colour.
Edit - two pics, the first showing the LHS front wheel & brakes a couple of days after I got the car, and the second showing the RHS front wheel and brakes after I had changed the rotors over for the ones I previously had on the XFR, and applied new Jaguar decals. In the first pic you can see how faded the Jaguar logo is, and it was much fainter looking in real life:
I have a fair idea what the 380 mm brakes look like, having them on both my XFR and F-Type and having taken the wheels off both many times, as well as cleaning the calipers, painting the calipers, applying decals and replacing the rotors and brake pads quite a few times.
As ShaunPA said the standard brakes on the SVR are the Super Performance brakes, and I'm betting that is what this car has, and for some reason it doesn't have the Jaguar logos/decals/stickers on the anti-rattle clips. Then again it might have but they could be very faint/faded, the logos on my brakes had faded away so much you could barely see them so I stuck new logos on. I put the fading down to the age and mileage on the car when I got it, 18 months old and 18,000 miles, but maybe they came that way from the factory? They were a yellow/gold colour.
Edit - two pics, the first showing the LHS front wheel & brakes a couple of days after I got the car, and the second showing the RHS front wheel and brakes after I had changed the rotors over for the ones I previously had on the XFR, and applied new Jaguar decals. In the first pic you can see how faded the Jaguar logo is, and it was much fainter looking in real life:
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Have a look at the front caliper holder / mounting bracket (the bit closest to the hub), it is much wider on the 355 brakes than on the 380 brakes.
Again I know the difference because my old XFS had front 355s.
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Thx you OzXFR,
Got i confirmation also from Jaguar that is a 355 / 326MM set.
From your knowledge and experience ( i see you are a guru with the f-type here)
the 380MM Caliper that it should be the one from the photo above (similar to the photos that you post at post #12 ) can be mount to my car that have the 355MM Caliper (using of course later a 380MM rotor)
Is it plug and play or need to do brackets and supports etc etc
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Thx you OzXFR,
Got i confirmation also from Jaguar that is a 355 / 326MM set.
From your knowledge and experience ( i see you are a guru with the f-type here)
the 380MM Caliper that it should be the one from the photo above (similar to the photos that you post at post #12 ) can be mount to my car that have the 355MM Caliper (using of course later a 380MM rotor)
Is it plug and play or need to do brackets and supports etc etc
Got i confirmation also from Jaguar that is a 355 / 326MM set.
From your knowledge and experience ( i see you are a guru with the f-type here)
the 380MM Caliper that it should be the one from the photo above (similar to the photos that you post at post #12 ) can be mount to my car that have the 355MM Caliper (using of course later a 380MM rotor)
Is it plug and play or need to do brackets and supports etc etc
- rotor/disc
- caliper
- caliper bracket/mount
- pads.
You could also put a new "splash shield" on but it's a vestigial and fairly useless piece only some 6 cm by 4 cm so not worth the expense and hassle.
That said new 380 mm parts cost a pretty penny, but you can get new discs/rotors and pads reasonably cheaply (they gotta be new not used) and if you are lucky you can find used calipers and brackets on Fleabay etc for waaaay less than the new price.
Also the 380 mm calipers and brackets are exactly the same across the whole Jag range so no need to get F-Type ones, you can look for XF Supercharged, XFR, XKR, XJR versions as well.
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It's plug and play and you need only four new parts each side:
- rotor/disc
- caliper
- caliper bracket/mount
- pads.
You could also put a new "splash shield" on but it's a vestigial and fairly useless piece only some 6 cm by 4 cm so not worth the expense and hassle.
That said new 380 mm parts cost a pretty penny, but you can get new discs/rotors and pads reasonably cheaply (they gotta be new not used) and if you are lucky you can find used calipers and brackets on Fleabay etc for waaaay less than the new price.
Also the 380 mm calipers and brackets are exactly the same across the whole Jag range so no need to get F-Type ones, you can look for XF Supercharged, XFR, XKR, XJR versions as well.
- rotor/disc
- caliper
- caliper bracket/mount
- pads.
You could also put a new "splash shield" on but it's a vestigial and fairly useless piece only some 6 cm by 4 cm so not worth the expense and hassle.
That said new 380 mm parts cost a pretty penny, but you can get new discs/rotors and pads reasonably cheaply (they gotta be new not used) and if you are lucky you can find used calipers and brackets on Fleabay etc for waaaay less than the new price.
Also the 380 mm calipers and brackets are exactly the same across the whole Jag range so no need to get F-Type ones, you can look for XF Supercharged, XFR, XKR, XJR versions as well.
Thx you m8
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