Does anyone happen to have the Land Rover CD's for WDS?

I find some mentions of LRCD13 or Land Rover WDS Disc #13 in a number of Land Rover technical bulletins.

 

Land Rover used a VCM with connector cables when I worked at the Jag dealer.
The Rover guys across the street didn't have WDS as far as I know but we DID borrow the VCM when ours broke a few times.

I don't remember what they had before the VCM.

bob gauff

 

I haven't had too much involvement with Land Rover 'til the last couple of years, but I can tell you LR never had the WDS as a PTU like Jag, Ford and Aston Martin did. They added a VCM and WDS software to their T4 platform, which was a Dell Latitude/Inspiron laptop based system. T4 utilized an interface connected via NIC cable, and they just added the USB connected VCM to it. Most dealers took the VCM away from that system, and added another IDS to their arsenal when it came out.

Cheers,

 

Thanks gents.

It's mentioned WDS CD13 or IDS DVD102... as in they are separate things.

Here's an example which shows the T4 and WDS combined SB034_SB036_Vehicle_Enhancement_Program.pdf which is similar to the later setup which had T4 and IDS on the same laptop.

So the WDS software ran on a laptop, and used the VCM? I guess this is what i'm really curious about.

I'm wondering if it's possible to run WDS software (Jag or Aston) on a regular laptop with a VCM. It looks like it was possible with this Land Rover version.

 

When the first Jaguar IDS was released with the VCM it was in tandem with the last version of WDS. That version was 43. I have both DVD43 and a WDS CD43 set.

Then Jaguar issued IDS DVD 101, 102, 103 etc. I copied those DVDs as well and then I left the dealer so that is all of the early discs I have. The IDS DVDs had both the Jaguar and LR software and we chose the Jaguar logo for diagnostics. I did not 'click' on the LR logo because there was no need to waste time using the LR software to try to communicate with a Jaguar. I don't think the DVD43 had the LR logo but that was a decade ago. (I don't remember)

The DVD had all the software on one disc but the WDS used CDs and the version 43 used 3 Compact Discs loaded in succession.

I guess you could try to dissect the software to do anything if you can get it to recognize the hardware????

bob

 

Now that's very interesting Bob...

Out of curiosity I had installed the WDS CD43 disc onto a WinXP laptop and it did actually run, but with some things missing, and limited functionality, and obviously no comms with the VCM, because there were no drivers in that software.

I had no idea there was a DVD43 which is the WDS software that is meant to run on a regular laptop. I suppose that would probably be a similar setup to the LRCD13 version of WDS like is seen in that bulletin.

I sure would be interested in experimenting with the DVD43 version of WDS and a VCM.

 

If I can find my stash of OLD IDS DVDs I'll 'burn' a copy of DVD43. The later DVD 101> are the same software and will communicate with the X300 and later Jags. I don't know when the X300 was dropped from the software lineup.

All you need is a REALLY OLD VCM (no firmware upgrades??). I tried a newer VCM that had run DVD 109 or something like that and it would NOT RECOGNIZE DVD 103 that I had on my Toshiba laptop that I used at the dealer a few years before with NO PROBLEMS.

The VCM gets updated and it seems is not backward compatible.

bob

 

Does anyone know what's inside a VCM?

I'm guessing a simple microcontroller and some interface chip(s) etc.

Is it just USB-powered?

I gather it could/can have its internal firmware updated so that suggests the new firmware must be somewhere on the CD/DVD that gets installed on the PC/laptop. Might be worth finding the file(s).

 

It is either USB powered or more likely OBDII powered. I don't remember.

bob gauff

 

I think maybe i'll start a new thread about the VCM, rather than choke this one up further.

 

I can't believe that I started this thread 5 1/2 years ago and it is still going steady (not being dredged up as a 'necropost'). I just started it to find info about repair and complain about my broken docking station.

hoodathunkit. (Theodor Clever 1957-1963)

bob gauff

 

Let's see if I can answer a few of the questions posed.

VCM:
Powered by either B+ at diagnostic connector, or a power adapter similar to the one for the IDS/SDD Toughbook. I sometimes use the power adapter so I can switch car to car without waiting for the VCM to boot up each time I connect to the car.
[these days I use a MongoosePro for SDD, and only use the VCM for older cars]

VCM software/firmware can be updated or backpedaled pretty much at will. If I am using a current SDD/VCM combination and switch to a laptop with an older IDS version, IDS will pop-up that there is an "Update" for the VCM. I can click "X" instead and continue just fine. In other words, IDS/SDD only notes there is a difference in the VCM software/firmware, not that it is older or newer. I do know for instance, if I connect the VCM with the earlier IDS version of the firmware to SDD, it doesn't have the ability to tell the vehicle battery voltage and show the voltage with the colored icon. The battery icon is just grayed out. If I let SDD update the firmware, the battery is monitored properly with the icon. I'm sure there are other capabilities that are compromised, too, but I'm not going to risk finding out what. My interest is in fixing cars, that's why the VCM stays on older cars.

WDS:
Jaguar WDS on the PTU was Jaguar only, no VCM, internal proprietary interface.

WDS/T4 on the Dell laptop platform was Land Rover only, USB connected VCM for WDS, ethernet connected interface for T4.

WDS final software was CD43 as most are aware.

IDS DVD43 when introduced was on the then new Toughbook PC platform and was JAGUAR ONLY. This is the first "WDS" capable of running on a PC. Jaguar got the IDS before Land Rover.

Jaguar and Land Rover IDS was married with the introduction of IDS DVD101. That I'm sure was the reason for the change in the version numbering.

Hope that helps!

So, Bob, I guess you are the father of a monster, huh??

 

I even get private messages from Ford guys asking about WDS.

bob

 

I picked up this kit from a Japanese auction site last week, seemed an opportunity too good to pass up.





It's never been used, which I hope is not an indication of it's usefulness

The Jaguar kit 3548-1358-00, exact same kit as the Aston Martin 3548-1358-01

 

Random question. Anybody know this tool? What's it do?

Jaguar Jag 073 Adaptive Restraint Control Module Reprogrammer Dealership Tool | eBay

I found a mention of it here Jaguar Workshop Manuals > X-Type (X400) V6-3.0L (2002) > Restraint Systems > Relays and Modules - Restraint Systems > Air Bag Control Module > Component Information > Technical Service Bulletins > All Technical Service Bulletins for Air Bag Control M

Just curious, it looks like something very specialised...

 

Recall issued March 2003

bob

 

Can't see it fetching the price or anywhere near it!

Odd the feature wasn't just added to WDS / IDS.

Special programming voltage needed, maybe? (DLC pin 7) hmm... doubt it. Odd.

 

You seem quite knowledgeable on the WDS. I just got one. I have the #43 disc but it asked for a cd 5 black disc.
Where can I get that and others I may need?
Also the screen is quite dim at full brightness, is there a way to fix this problem?
Thank you for helping.
Jim

 

The FORD WDS needs the Black Disc Set, Jaguar has a different set of CDs.
More info please.
What Country are you in?????
What set of discs are you looking for?????
Ford?
Jaguar?
Mazda?
Aston Martin?

They all use the WDS.

bob

 

Finally got my WDS. Bad news is it had a rough trip across the US and then across the Pacific...

Took a few hits in transit (i'd say more hits than Elvis) and the docking station is a bit beat-up now. The cosmetics don't worry me, but the power supply is dead as my music career...



Had to boot it up on the battery cable, the hard drive seems to have suffered from the knocking around.





I didn't have a keyboard on hand with the PS/2 connection, picking one up tomorrow. So the scandisk ran and then stopped at 350'767 clusters, twice.

I got a few spare hard drives from abonano which is nice, if I can get the docking station going I'll start going through them.

The power supply is totally dead...



It's the original from 1998 so you could say it's had a good run, it would have never ever been switched over to 230V either so maybe it was all too much...

I came across a good replacement NEW ATX Computer Power Supply Supplies PSU 400W for PC Desktop Tower Case Unit | eBay which will fit perfectly in the case, and it gives me an on/off switch too! I have a spare 16V laptop power supply so i'll get that hooked in to charge the battery...

Getting there slowly lol...