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Old Apr 14, 2024 | 07:25 PM
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Default Window scrapers/seals for later cars

This question is likely more for S-Type or 240/340 owners. My 66 Mk2 is very near the end of the line and the factory changed over to the side window seals/scrapers that are integral to the chrome trim bead on the top of the door. I think this was adopted from the 3.8S late in the production run. My parts book makes no mention of this.
Question is..... Should there be a a felt/fuzzy seal on the outside of the glass like there is on the inside of the glass? Or is the rubber scraper integral to the chrome bead all that should be on the outside. I didn't take the car apart and I can't see any evidence of the clips used to hold the fuzzy window scraper strips.
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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 01:37 AM
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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 01:40 AM
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The inside of the car takes a standard "whisker strip".
 
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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 10:44 AM
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As a 1962/3, my car originally had the piece of felt attached to a strip of steel on both the inside and outside of the door window glass. My father made an upgrade to a rubber wiper arrangement, I'd guess in the mid or late 1970s. The chrome molding was still available in those days or it was possible to cut down the corresponding one from a series 1 or 2 XJ. At the time, the motivation for eliminating the felt arrangement was that it collected hard particles that scratched the window. The interesting point is that the rubber is not the same (and probably not as good) as the one sold these days. I can't see any velvet/moleskin finish on it and the downward pointing section (the leg inside the door as opposed to visible above the door or trapped under the chrome) is much shorter. I'm pretty sure that it would have come from the local Jaguar agent.

Although the rubber is available, it seems that the chrome strip to hold it is now in the unobtainable category. The usual sources list only the early (pre-rubber) type.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 10:55 AM
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The chrome strip that holds the rubber is as rare as rocking horse poo. I had enough to choose from for re-chroming thanks to my donor cars.

Barratts provided the rubbers.

EDIT: Just a tip. If you pull the rubber through the slot in the chrome beading using soapy water cut it off with length to spare and leave for a few days before trimming to length. You will have stretched the rubber and it will retract over those few days.
 

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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter3442
the motivation for eliminating the felt arrangement was that it collected hard particles that scratched the window.
I had all my side windows diamond polished. Luckily they are flat. Only the driver's window had some very slight scratching which is now gone. Others just had the odd mark & not a scratch caused by raising or lowering.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 03:42 PM
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And of course I had lots of glass to choose from. I fitted a new Pilkingtons "Triplex" windscreen. Perfect heated rear screen came from the UK.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 07:41 PM
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I did spend a lot of time trying to find the later chrome bead/seal combo parts. I have the originals but they were so beat up that they were not salvageable. A good guy on this forum sold me a pair of nice ones that I then had chrome plated.
So no "whisker strips" on the outside. Only the rubber scraper. Got it!
As always, the input is very much appreciated.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2024 | 08:04 PM
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Sorry if this is a rather simplistic question. Using the dishwashing soap tip from Glyn, I was able to slide the rubber seals into my nicely rechromed trim. without much trouble. I bought the correct seal material from SNG Barrett and they supplied much more than apparently needed for each window. Obviously the rubber on the outside is only as wide as the glass opening between the chrome frame pieces. It does not overlap the chrome frame. When I trim to width, do I cut the entire way through, leaving no rubber fore and aft of the window opening or should the rubber stay in the channel and I just cut off what I need to cut off. The remnants of my original trim pieces seems to indicate that there was rubber inside the bead beyond the glass but that may be the sealant used under the NDVs. It just seems odd to me that they gave me an extra 8 inches of the rubber seal for each window. Maybe it will become obvious when I get to that point.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2024 | 02:40 AM
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Once shrunk to size cut off at end of chrome strip. NDV's have their own rubbers. They gave you extra if same as S Type.

Let me see if I can find a picture.
 
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It's difficult to cut what's inside the chrome molding. I'd cut away what is outside and excess to the width of the glass. Any remaining inside the chrome is invisible and harmless. It might even help to anchor the rest.
 
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Originally Posted by Peter3442
It's difficult to cut what's inside the chrome molding. I'd cut away what is outside and excess to the width of the glass. Any remaining inside the chrome is invisible and harmless. It might even help to anchor the rest.
Absolutely correct. That is exactly what I did & so did the SA Plant. All 3 of my cars were cut like that but rotten.
 

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Thanks Glyn and Peter! Very much appreciated.
 
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