My 2.5L recently started to flash " ABS and DSC problem".
I assumed it was an ABS sensor at fault and used a diagnostic machine to pull the code so I would know which sensor.
BUT , I got two codes
P17fe & P1267
the second one apparently just means that I have a code which stops the ABS/DSC from working !
BUT the first code is unknown !
Hours on the WEB came up with no real information.
someone had it on his Mini - it seems used by BMW.
and I think someones Ford had it.
but nobody came up with a meaning.

I found no reference to it being used by Jaguar.
Has anyone any idea what it means ?

 

I think the problem is your scanner?
You can't see deep enough intro the car to figure out the problem.
Note you did not post what scanner your using?

I have never seen P17fe so I think there are errors in your scan.
Any problem with the ABS will keep it from working. You need to figure what that problem is.
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sorry, deleted

 

Welcome to the forum. I can’t help with that oddball code, but here’s a thread that might help you with other aspects of the problem:

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/s...attery-193787/

 

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@Roger (whom they call Woger in Monthy Python's Life of Brian... )

Another option (as long as you may have a scanner, which is possibly not up for the job), is to just measure the resistance of all speed sensors, and if one of the measurements if totally off, you have found the culprit...

 

ABS codes should not start with a P.

P codes are from the PCM (or other Powertrain parts).

Maybe they are B codes (P misheard for B?).

 

Thank you for all your replies.
My inital reaction was that this is not a code because it was not all numeric. But I found the code P17F0 for example which is genuine. I found another code with 'hex' letters in it which meant that the Speedometer and the ABS sensors were not in agreement. But as I said - no Jaguar correlation.
I pulled the code with a Launch CReader 7001 which seems to have a good reputation at the amateur level.

During my researches I came across the statement that the cruise control will not work if any of the ABS sensors are not working.
My cruise control is working - and the last time I had an ABS sensor die on me it was not.

I have seen many lists of all the P1xx Jaguar Codes , and I can't imagine a code from 20 years back would not be referenced.
I checked Ford P17xx codes just in case ( the code for a faulty exterior temperature comes up as a Ford DTC : unknown as a Jaguar code ) .
So I seem to have a code which never made it to the Lists.
My only hypothesis is that it is a situation that "never" happens so it wasn't worth describing , but occurs logically when you are programming the ABS module. Has any one any suggestions ?
The problem started last summer . Some journeys with , most journeys without.
It is now permanent : after disconnecting the battery for a day , it comes straight back.

 

If it is definitely P, not B (& not C), I'd be concerned that the PCM may be damaged - usually due to damp/water, sadly.

There is no chance that P17FE is a Jaguar code for that era car so you are looking at a faulty PCM or OBD tool.

 

I think JagV8 is right?
Can you get the car scanned with a different scanner?

I don't know in France but in the US all the parts stores can read at least the common codes.
Your right that any ABS problem will disable the cruise control so again this points to something deeper and/or more complicated since your cruise IS working.
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Not expecting results but hoping , I charged the battery to eliminate that possibility ( thank you kr98664 ) , and prayed .
But not enough - No luck.
I also checked all the relevant fuses as well just to eliminate that . No luck.

Taking note of JagV8's post I started again from scratch.
I found a Jaguar document listing all the DTC codes for the 2003 S type.
He is of course right - there is no P17EF , but looking up P1267 I found a blank also !
this is a typo in my first submission : the second DTC code is C1267
from ==> DSCCM : Dynamic Stability Control Module
message ==> DSCCM anti-lock functions temporarily disabled
why ==> DSCCM failure
It is interesting to note that there is NO mention of ABS in the 2003 DTC list !
I am presuming that ' Traction control ', ' DSCCM ' , ' DSC ' and ' ABS ' are all , as far as I'm concerned , the same thing.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Scanning systematically the document for "traction control inhibited" as results of Pxxxx codes, I eliminated all those concerned with gearbox problems , leaving :
P1711/3/8 TFT sensor problem . ( gear box temperature ? )
or P1704 Range Sensor problem. - what the hell is that ?
All P17xx ! is that a coincidence ?

If the first code should have been Cxxxx , I see no reason why the Creader would have got it wrong.

The car has just come back from a 1000 mile trip without incident so one can eliminate any serious problem.

Getting the DTC codes read by a garage will cost €50 , and I'm not yet convinced they will give me a different answer.
The nearest Jag dealer is over 2 hours drive away.

 

This why I like using WDS or IDS to read the ENTIRE CAR.

When the fault is selected from the list on the left, the description on the right side of the screen list the fault as well as 'possible causes' and 'monitoring conditions'.

Every once in a while there is a DTC listed at the bottom of the screen is the DTC not recognized but it is rare.

 

That's because you are probably referring to the listing of P codes.

There are separate Jaguar lists (PDF files) for each of P, B, C, U codes.

 

Bob, there's a bigger version of that - if you want it.

I think it's too big to upload here but will try.

edit: oh, it's not too big...

 

I must thank you both for those PDF's.
I have had this Jag for 8 years now , and it has never given me problems.
Just things like wheel bearings and the odd sensor.
So I have no serious documentation on how to repair it.
Unlike my XJS which owes its life to Kirby's bible.

When googling for 'P17fe' all by its self , I looked at the unlikely possibility of 'images' : and surprise , surprise , there were many !
All of ABS modules !
One was explicit : P17fe is an ' internal failure ' . ( translated from the french).
The image with it looked very like the one in my car.
Is it possible that these units ( made by Siemens in China ??) come with their firmware and have their DTC codes updated by the manufacturer of the car they are used in ?

Other research suggests that that Jaguar ABS unit can develop problems over time due to dry solder joints.
There are many posts relating to this.
Question 1 : Does anyone know what DTC code they triggered before being repaired ?
Question 2 : Is it possible to remove the 'electric part' of the ABS module in an S-type without removing the brake lines ?