2004 xjr - front brakes
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2004 xjr - front brakes
Recently brought my 04 XJR out of storage and started my spring shake down. Last fall I noticed my front brakes were getting low so I ordered pads and rotors in replaced them. All in all the job took around an hour.
Immediately after start up the car has the ABS light, traction control lights both on as well as DSC not available and cruise control not available.
Removed the terminals on the battery, cleaned and reinstalled to reset calibration. Still no change. Took the car for a drive and still no change.
Is there something I am missing.
Immediately after start up the car has the ABS light, traction control lights both on as well as DSC not available and cruise control not available.
Removed the terminals on the battery, cleaned and reinstalled to reset calibration. Still no change. Took the car for a drive and still no change.
Is there something I am missing.
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I was thinking the same thing. I had to jump start the car but I drove it 10 miles in a loop before I began the service. No light or warning then other than the Cruise control not available.
Finished the front brakes and two lights on plus the other message. Battery is only 2 years old and is an Interstate.
Finished the front brakes and two lights on plus the other message. Battery is only 2 years old and is an Interstate.
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Battery is still a prime candidate, 10 minute drive may not have been sufficient.
But, I had the same experience changing the brakes on my wife's 2004 XJ8 and it turned out one of the ABS wheel sensors/wires had a short in it. Apparently I accidentally crimped it somehow or perhaps it was about to fail and it only took a nudge for it to completely fail. I bought a used one for $40 and it's still working great two years later.
But, I had the same experience changing the brakes on my wife's 2004 XJ8 and it turned out one of the ABS wheel sensors/wires had a short in it. Apparently I accidentally crimped it somehow or perhaps it was about to fail and it only took a nudge for it to completely fail. I bought a used one for $40 and it's still working great two years later.
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An interruption or loss of signal from a wheel speed sensor will cause all of the warnings you've reported since ABS, TC, DSC and CC all rely on wheel speed inputs, and while not well documented in the manuals, problems with wheel speed sensors can lead to the Restricted Performance warning.
If your shop has a scanner that can read Chassis (C-prefix) codes, you'll have a code flagged that will point you to the specific wheel speed sensor.
That doesn't mean low battery voltage isn't a contributing factor.
Cheers,
Don
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I think the restricted performance is from dropping the mass air flow sensor on the ground. Since, there is also a check engine light. Which was never an issue on the test drive until after I dropped it.
Hopping my scanner can get a live data stream of wheel speeds. This will definitely point me in the right direction. My thoughts are if the wheel speeds are getting recorded by the computer chances are the battery is to blame. I just have a hard time believing the battery theory because of the age of mine and how it reads perfect with analog testing equipment. Perhaps I should just take it in and have them bench test it with a higher quality computer circuit testing device.
Under the hood I did find a blown 30amp fuse in the fuse cluster attached to the ABS brake controller. It was on the bottom RHS looking down from the front bumper. I did replace it but didn't see any changes wrt warning lights on the guage cluster.
Hopping my scanner can get a live data stream of wheel speeds. This will definitely point me in the right direction. My thoughts are if the wheel speeds are getting recorded by the computer chances are the battery is to blame. I just have a hard time believing the battery theory because of the age of mine and how it reads perfect with analog testing equipment. Perhaps I should just take it in and have them bench test it with a higher quality computer circuit testing device.
Under the hood I did find a blown 30amp fuse in the fuse cluster attached to the ABS brake controller. It was on the bottom RHS looking down from the front bumper. I did replace it but didn't see any changes wrt warning lights on the guage cluster.
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Hopping my scanner can get a live data stream of wheel speeds. This will definitely point me in the right direction. My thoughts are if the wheel speeds are getting recorded by the computer chances are the battery is to blame. I just have a hard time believing the battery theory because of the age of mine and how it reads perfect with analog testing equipment. Perhaps I should just take it in and have them bench test it with a higher quality computer circuit testing device.
You just replaced the front brake pads and rotors and now have symptoms consistent with an issue with a wheel speed sensor or its wiring harness. The wheel speed sensors fit into the back of the hubs and their wiring harness is close to where you removed the calipers to replace the rotors. It would be very easy to bump the wiring and either partially dislodge the sensor or stress the wiring. Scanning the DTCs will probably steer you in the right direction.
Under the hood I did find a blown 30amp fuse in the fuse cluster attached to the ABS brake controller. It was on the bottom RHS looking down from the front bumper. I did replace it but didn't see any changes wrt warning lights on the guage cluster.
Cheers,
Don
Last edited by Don B; 04-14-2017 at 11:35 PM.
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An update .....
Removed the battery and brought it to my auto supplier for a total analysis and it was perfect. Still havent found a local independent who could get into the computer for live data or read codes. I thought this was odd but we live in a region of mostly North American vehicles.
I wonder if dirt or something on the inside of the wheel bearing became dislodged during the R and R of the front brakes and has interrupted the signal on that corner. Causing the ABS to go into limp mode like it is. Going to pull the ABS leads and check for continuity and clean the internal sensor if possible. From there its off to the Jaguar store if the problems persist.....
Removed the battery and brought it to my auto supplier for a total analysis and it was perfect. Still havent found a local independent who could get into the computer for live data or read codes. I thought this was odd but we live in a region of mostly North American vehicles.
I wonder if dirt or something on the inside of the wheel bearing became dislodged during the R and R of the front brakes and has interrupted the signal on that corner. Causing the ABS to go into limp mode like it is. Going to pull the ABS leads and check for continuity and clean the internal sensor if possible. From there its off to the Jaguar store if the problems persist.....
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You can clean the outsides of the sensors with a soft brush and brake cleaner spray and clean their electrical connectors with brake cleaner or zero-residue electrical contact cleaner, but the reluctor wheels are inside the hubs and not really accessible. You can use a battery terminal brush to clean the bores in the hubs where the sensors fit, but try not to push corrosion or dirt into the hub.
The easiest way to check each sensor and its wiring harness is to test the resistance of each sensor's circuit at the Dynamic Stability Control Module connector. The connector pins for each sensor are shown on pdf page 73 of the Electrical Guide, which you can download here:
2004 Jaguar X350 Electrical Guide
While you are measuring the resistance through each sensor, flex and wiggle the wiring harness between the sensor and the point where it is tied to the body and watch the meter for any signs of a sudden loss of continuity, which indicates a break in the wiring.
Cheers,
Don
Last edited by Don B; 04-20-2017 at 08:19 PM.
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Recently brought my 04 XJR out of storage and started my spring shake down. Last fall I noticed my front brakes were getting low so I ordered pads and rotors in replaced them. All in all the job took around an hour.
Immediately after start up the car has the ABS light, traction control lights both on as well as DSC not available and cruise control not available.
Removed the terminals on the battery, cleaned and reinstalled to reset calibration. Still no change. Took the car for a drive and still no change.
Is there something I am missing.
Immediately after start up the car has the ABS light, traction control lights both on as well as DSC not available and cruise control not available.
Removed the terminals on the battery, cleaned and reinstalled to reset calibration. Still no change. Took the car for a drive and still no change.
Is there something I am missing.
Pulled off the sensor on the LHS and checked it over. Everything looked perfect. Inside the bearing clean and pristine. Moved over to the driver side loosing hope, pulled the clip off the back side of the bearing and removed the sensor wire. Clean again....
Well I guess its time to pull the wires and check them over for resistance. Then the issue becomes all too clear, its hard to get wheel speed readings when the wire is pinched and grounding out on the underside of the caliper bolt. So frustrating to have a simple issue cause so much grief. Ordered the MAF $145 and a new ABS wire $210 which will arrive in the AM.
Hoping the codes will clear themselves over the next day of driving after the reinstall. I hope the dead short didn't cause any further fuses to blow. Will double check them in the afternoon.
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