Replacing Engine ECU (PCM)
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Replacing Engine ECU (PCM)
Good Morning fellow owners,
Without going into details I am in the position where I have to replace the Engine ECU (PCM or ECM) with a secondhand unit from a virtually identical vehicle. I have the VIN No of the car from which it came but am hoping that another member can advise me of the correct way to carry out the job using SDD/IDS. I believe that I will have to go through the 'immobilisation' process - but exactly what does that involve ?? Do I start off by putting the donor VIN No. into the diagnostics, or the vehicle Vin and then program as a replacement ECM/PCM ?? etc. What I don't want to do is go through the process and end up with a non-start situation.
Any advice would be welcome. Many Thanks.
Without going into details I am in the position where I have to replace the Engine ECU (PCM or ECM) with a secondhand unit from a virtually identical vehicle. I have the VIN No of the car from which it came but am hoping that another member can advise me of the correct way to carry out the job using SDD/IDS. I believe that I will have to go through the 'immobilisation' process - but exactly what does that involve ?? Do I start off by putting the donor VIN No. into the diagnostics, or the vehicle Vin and then program as a replacement ECM/PCM ?? etc. What I don't want to do is go through the process and end up with a non-start situation.
Any advice would be welcome. Many Thanks.
#2
Great question, wish i knew the answer, to this one, as well as a lot of others. This flash, & reflash stuff, seems as if it really should not be necessary. But just another attempt by the factory, to separate me from my money. The more i learn the less i have to pay to a point Keep on hunting
#3
Having the tools is one thing and I'm glad you realize the hazards of doing this.
Here is a quote from Jaguar Tech-Tips.......
"2004 XJ Control Module Replacement / Programming
Information: Before attempting to reconfigure and/or replace any control modules, it is recommended to perform a VID Block Data Read and save to disc. This will ensure that if the VID block becomes corrupt, the original VID block can be uploaded back into vehicle and correct any configuration errors which may occur from choosing incorrect options and/or features when programming CMs."
And this........................
Jaguar 32-bit ECM recovery procedure
2002-on X-TYPE, 2003-on S-TYPE, 2004-on XJ, 2003-on XK
In the event communications to the Engine Control Module (ECM) cannot be established or an error occurred
during programming and the ECM will no longer communicate with the WDS,
DO NOT replace the ECM.
Perform the ECM rectification procedure that will 'unlock' the ECM and will restore communications. Before continuing, have WDS in the docking station, the docking station plugged in and a battery charger on the car's battery.
1. Start programming the ECM as an existing module using the WDS.
During the reprogramming process, the screen in figure 1 will appear.
2. Disconnect the negative battery lead and press 'YES" on the
WDS screen as shown in figure 2.
3. Reconnect and tighten negative battery terminal and then press
'YES' to continue.
4. NOTE: Be aware of the time requirements of this portion of the
procedure (10 seconds). A helper may be required to perform correctly. Press
tick on WDS, wait 2 seconds, then switch ignition on. WDS will
recover and then reprogram ECM.
Here are some TSBs and info on what you want to do.
bob
Here is a quote from Jaguar Tech-Tips.......
"2004 XJ Control Module Replacement / Programming
Information: Before attempting to reconfigure and/or replace any control modules, it is recommended to perform a VID Block Data Read and save to disc. This will ensure that if the VID block becomes corrupt, the original VID block can be uploaded back into vehicle and correct any configuration errors which may occur from choosing incorrect options and/or features when programming CMs."
And this........................
Jaguar 32-bit ECM recovery procedure
2002-on X-TYPE, 2003-on S-TYPE, 2004-on XJ, 2003-on XK
In the event communications to the Engine Control Module (ECM) cannot be established or an error occurred
during programming and the ECM will no longer communicate with the WDS,
DO NOT replace the ECM.
Perform the ECM rectification procedure that will 'unlock' the ECM and will restore communications. Before continuing, have WDS in the docking station, the docking station plugged in and a battery charger on the car's battery.
1. Start programming the ECM as an existing module using the WDS.
During the reprogramming process, the screen in figure 1 will appear.
2. Disconnect the negative battery lead and press 'YES" on the
WDS screen as shown in figure 2.
3. Reconnect and tighten negative battery terminal and then press
'YES' to continue.
4. NOTE: Be aware of the time requirements of this portion of the
procedure (10 seconds). A helper may be required to perform correctly. Press
tick on WDS, wait 2 seconds, then switch ignition on. WDS will
recover and then reprogram ECM.
Here are some TSBs and info on what you want to do.
bob
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Thank you 'Wingrider' and 'Motorcarman' for your replies - really appreciated. Couldn't agree more with 'Wingrider's ' comments - manufacturers seem to be making it increasingly difficult for anyone, other than main dealers, to maintain these modern cars (I'd much rather spend my time tuning a pair of SU carbs).
Thank you 'Motorcarman' for those links - that'll keep me occupied this evening !!
The reason I need (or am considering) replacing the PCM with a used unit is down to the failure of the Adaptive Cruise Control module. Mine is an early version which are like hens teeth secondhand (and almost £2000 new !!). Its been checked over and is not repairable. Unfortunately, when the ACC fails it renders normal cruise control inoperative as well (with the message being constantly displayed on dash). I've tried using IDS to manually change the 'as-built' spec (to ordinary speed control) but without success, hence my latest possible plan.
Obviously the Jaguar bulletins relate to replacement 'new' modules NOT
used ones.
If I fit a used PCM and type in the donor cars VIN number at the start of the program can I then simply choose to configure the PATS ID (as a new module) ?? Does anyone know.
I Just want my normal cruise control to work. Cheers everyone.
Thank you 'Motorcarman' for those links - that'll keep me occupied this evening !!
The reason I need (or am considering) replacing the PCM with a used unit is down to the failure of the Adaptive Cruise Control module. Mine is an early version which are like hens teeth secondhand (and almost £2000 new !!). Its been checked over and is not repairable. Unfortunately, when the ACC fails it renders normal cruise control inoperative as well (with the message being constantly displayed on dash). I've tried using IDS to manually change the 'as-built' spec (to ordinary speed control) but without success, hence my latest possible plan.
Obviously the Jaguar bulletins relate to replacement 'new' modules NOT
used ones.
If I fit a used PCM and type in the donor cars VIN number at the start of the program can I then simply choose to configure the PATS ID (as a new module) ?? Does anyone know.
I Just want my normal cruise control to work. Cheers everyone.
#5
Did you ever figured out how to program the ECU? I have to do it on my 2004 XJ8 because there was a short in the system and now the reverse lights are on even when the car is not running. I have a used ECU and everything works fine, except it won’t run. The immobilizer won’t let the car run for more than 2 seconds.
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Hi from sunny England (NOT !)
Yes I did eventually resolve the issue. Fortunately I Have the Jaguar IDS/SDD programme and cable - you'll need these without doubt. From memory I had to drop the steering column to obtain a serial number to enter within the relevant part of the SDD programme (I believe that was the immobiliser number). It cannot be done without the IDS/SDD programme. Good luck
Yes I did eventually resolve the issue. Fortunately I Have the Jaguar IDS/SDD programme and cable - you'll need these without doubt. From memory I had to drop the steering column to obtain a serial number to enter within the relevant part of the SDD programme (I believe that was the immobiliser number). It cannot be done without the IDS/SDD programme. Good luck
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Originally Posted by Lerimer Francisco Santana
Did you ever figured out how to program the ECU? I have to do it on my 2004 XJ8 because there was a short in the system and now the reverse lights are on even when the car is not running. I have a used ECU and everything works fine, except it won’t run. The immobilizer won’t let the car run for more than 2 seconds.
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Hello from sunny Tampa, Florida USA
Hi from sunny England (NOT !)
Yes I did eventually resolve the issue. Fortunately I Have the Jaguar IDS/SDD programme and cable - you'll need these without doubt. From memory I had to drop the steering column to obtain a serial number to enter within the relevant part of the SDD programme (I believe that was the immobiliser number). It cannot be done without the IDS/SDD programme. Good luck
Yes I did eventually resolve the issue. Fortunately I Have the Jaguar IDS/SDD programme and cable - you'll need these without doubt. From memory I had to drop the steering column to obtain a serial number to enter within the relevant part of the SDD programme (I believe that was the immobiliser number). It cannot be done without the IDS/SDD programme. Good luck
#9
Hi from sunny England (NOT !)
Yes I did eventually resolve the issue. Fortunately I Have the Jaguar IDS/SDD programme and cable - you'll need these without doubt. From memory I had to drop the steering column to obtain a serial number to enter within the relevant part of the SDD programme (I believe that was the immobiliser number). It cannot be done without the IDS/SDD programme. Good luck
Yes I did eventually resolve the issue. Fortunately I Have the Jaguar IDS/SDD programme and cable - you'll need these without doubt. From memory I had to drop the steering column to obtain a serial number to enter within the relevant part of the SDD programme (I believe that was the immobiliser number). It cannot be done without the IDS/SDD programme. Good luck
Seems I have to go through the same process out. Which MY was(is) your car? Which ECU number you used from donor car? I'm experiencing the same adaptive cruise problems My ECU is 2W93-10K975-EF and its suffered from well known water ingress.. now I have faults which can not be erased in addition to ACC problem. I appreciate for detailed steps. The car is old but gold for me.. don't want to leave it)
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Tech Tips info from 2002 JUNE, the info was sent to us for the IP or STEERING COLUMN configuration.
"S-TYPE – 2003 MY – Steering Column Programming
Symptom: Steering column movement is incorrect
Programming Information: When servicing either an instrument cluster (IC) or a steering column, it
will be necessary to setup the steering column to achieve the correct column movement. The IC will
have to be reconfigured as new, and WDS will require you to enter 8 digits of an 11-digit code found
on a label affixed to the top of the steering column support bracket. The column will need to be
lowered from its four mounting bolts to access the label. You will need to disregard the first two digits
and the last digit of the eleven-digit number, and then use the eight digits that are left."
Some people just entered a 'generic' 8 digit code and the configuration would not always be correct. We were warned to enter the correct numbers.
Maybe this is what you are referring to?? The X350 is a similar vehicle.
bob
"S-TYPE – 2003 MY – Steering Column Programming
Symptom: Steering column movement is incorrect
Programming Information: When servicing either an instrument cluster (IC) or a steering column, it
will be necessary to setup the steering column to achieve the correct column movement. The IC will
have to be reconfigured as new, and WDS will require you to enter 8 digits of an 11-digit code found
on a label affixed to the top of the steering column support bracket. The column will need to be
lowered from its four mounting bolts to access the label. You will need to disregard the first two digits
and the last digit of the eleven-digit number, and then use the eight digits that are left."
Some people just entered a 'generic' 8 digit code and the configuration would not always be correct. We were warned to enter the correct numbers.
Maybe this is what you are referring to?? The X350 is a similar vehicle.
bob
#13
it looks like you have , but i hope you did not miss the advice given by Cambo in post #7.
the reverse lights are switched via the RECM rear electronics control module .not the ECM/PCM .
its in the boot/trunk . you don't need the column no# to program it . some times second hand ones don't need
reprogramming if your lucky .
Last edited by Datsports; 03-25-2019 at 04:40 AM.
#14
I'm going crazy here!!!! :'(
it looks like you have , but i hope you did not miss the advice given by Cambo in post #7.
the reverse lights are switched via the RECM rear electronics control module .not the ECM/PCM .
its in the boot/trunk . you don't need the column no# to program it . some times second hand ones don't need
reprogramming if your lucky .
the reverse lights are switched via the RECM rear electronics control module .not the ECM/PCM .
its in the boot/trunk . you don't need the column no# to program it . some times second hand ones don't need
reprogramming if your lucky .
Any help will greatly be appreciated, I'm going crazy trying to get this car to run again!!!
#15
I would start with diagnostic with original IDS/SDD. Better I would search for JLR Electrician/Diagnostician indie or dealer (Land Rover guys is also Ok) or trying by yourself (if you really can't reach any decent shop around) in accordance with Workshop Manual going through detailed step by step procedures related to existing DTCs. You just can have blown fuse or lost ground or something not criminal as you don't have power on REM.. anyway start with diagnostic suggested before messing with modules swapping until you find a true cause.
Info:
Jaguar XJ8 XJR 2004 Newer Electrical & OBDII Codes
X350 Workshop manual .pdf version
X350 Workshop manual on-line version
PS I would cut and paste this deviation to relative thread in order not to confuse others in future
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