Hello all.

As mentioned in the new guy forum, I just purchased my mother-in-law's 2000 XJ8 for my daugther's first ride.

For the price, it seemed like a good idea at the time, now, only time will tell.
Had my first engine codes today which look pretty common, 307- cyl 7 misfiring, 1316- misfire rate exceeded and then the odd one, 1111-system pass. How it passes with those two codes, I dunno.

So, my m-in-law kept all receipts of repairs and maintenance. I went through and picked out the biggies, or ones that seemed significant and created the below list. All total, about $20k. This is NOT comprehensive, there are probably another $10k in expenses and maintenance, maybe more.

Damn, this thing was (is?) a money pit. Sure is purty though.

Other than Coil 7 being replaced 3 times, see any other red flags?



Again, this is just partial. She paid about $41k for this in 2002.
Sure hope this doesn't continue. If it does, we'll probably drive it till it dies and then donate it for taxes.

I'll post some pics shortly, it's a lovely car inside and out.

 

I would say congrats! Big issues already addressed, and you got nicest mother-in-law. ( Mine would probably make the repairmen eat the coil #7 :-) )

 

Thanks NJ, that's kind of what I'm hoping.
Although, seeing the 307 code again isn't inspiring.

Taking it in to a local shop tomorrow for further diagnosis.

 

I've replaced different ignition coils 3-4x on my 2000 XJ8, easy DIY repair. The codes I typically get when one is bad:


Generic:

P0354 Ignition Coil D, primary/secondary circuit
P0304 cylinder #4 misfire


Jaguar manufacturer specific codes:

P1313 Misfire rate catalyst damage fault - bank 1
P1316 Misfire rate exceeds emissions

Did the former mechanic use genuine Jaguar replacement coils? Or maybe replaced with a used one to save the shop money? Maybe some experts can weigh in on what other issue may cause repeated failure of a perfectly good coil.

I buy mine @ Gaudin Jaguar online. earlier this year one cost me $101.15 + S&H.

Search this forum for easy instructions to replace coils.

(I have a 4 PIN LNE1510AB)

 

Mine came with similar amounts of money spent XJ8dad.

Not wishing to stick a pin in your balloon but time proved that most was pure fiction and the amounts were actually exorbitant labour charges and ridiculous prices paid for parts (ie $100 per spark plug) plus fitting.

The recently replaced tensioners on mine from previous owner are booked in to be replaced,along with chains and guides.

I too thought everything that needed doing was done..but I do have an impressive pile of receipts. I hope your collection was better spent than mine.

The very best of luck with the few issues you have and I hope the money pit has been filled in by your mother in law.

 

I have bought 6 new Jaguars over the past 30 years and numerous used ones and my total maintenance costs are not even close to that.

Other then my current old 02 -- I have put over 100k on all of them. I did replace one AC compressor -- and a I think one coil on one of my 6 cyl's . Some sensors .. a few other odd hoses.

 

As Iconoclast alluded to, if coil #7 is bad you should get 0357 code.
Since you don't mention this I presume the code isn't there so the problem is not the coil itself ....?
Easy way to tell is swap the coil over with #8 say and see for any change in the codes.
Maybe plug or injector...?

AndyP

 

I have a 2002 xj8 which started running rough, I replaced the plugs, cleaned the mas air flow sensor and replaced the vacuum line going to the brake booster. After driving a few miles the restricted performance light comes on and the car starts running rough. I disconnected each coil 1 at a time and noticed a difference in idle so I guessing the coils are ok. Some of the codes that are showing are PO171, PO301,PO304,P0300,P1313. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

 

To the OP : there are some very poor quality coils about. My colleague replaced all 6 on his XJ6, and they all failed within a couple of years. If the cylinder 7 was replaced with a cheap one, and then keeps getting replaced with more cheap ones, that would do the trick.

 

I calculate your mother's expenditure at about 55 cents per mile, for depreciation and maintenance. Add in gas, it comes to about 75 cents per mile. This is presumably with all work done at a shop. A new Camry, according to Consumer reports, is 55 cents per mile.

I'm not sure how much you were expecting a car like the XJ8 to cost, but it sounds reasonable to me.

 

FYI, my list of repairs on my 2000 XJ8 (I'm original owner):

7-26-2000 & 4-24-2001 Rattle Door trim (2X) & L dash Warranty Jag Dlr 1390 mi.
12-13-2000 rattle + Driver door panel rattle warranty repair (I pd $7.50 EPA bs charge!)3345 mi.
12-7-2002 Rear door tweeter Warranty Jag Dlr Repair 14637
12-7-2002 Windshield wiper auto sensor (2X) warranty Jag Dlr Repair 14637
1-24-2003 change to Mobil 1 Synthetic oil Autotek 15365 mi.
6-11-2003 Windshield chip repair Repair Medic $59.95 (Ins paid?)
6-16-2003 Fuel Sending Unit (FSU) warranty Jag Dlr 16923
6-16-2003 Lower Control Arm Bushing Warranty Jag Dlr (No symptoms) 16923
6-16-2003 Clean restrictor in part load breather N/C warranty no symptoms 16923
6-16-2003 Windshield wiper auto sensor 2nd X warranty (SA said will wipe wi bump or touch mirror) 16923
7-9-2003 A/C Control panel Warranty Jag Dlr Repair 17154 mi.
9-15-2003 9-24-2003 part finally in Missing Jack Handle! Warranty Jag Dlr
9-26-2003 4 Wheel alignment Autotek $64.95 18030
7-3-2004 FSU again, 1 month out of warranty Did NOT replace 21472
7-22-2004 T-stat $77.11 DIY 21596 mi.
2004 CD changer error messages E-01 (had to stop random play)
1-4-2005 Leaper replacement $165 DIY CaptJaguar’s Cathouse
00-00-0000 Leather Arm rest repair/glue 3x DIY
1-14-2005 New Battery (Dx Autotek, no stock!) $156.69, DIY Maintenance 23329 mi.
5-21-2005 Wind noise from passenger side @ 70+ mph (possibly aftermarket air filter?)
2-16-2006 Coolant Flush $127.59 Autotech Maintenance 27361
1-18-2007 Engine & transmission mounts $789 Jag Dlr Repair 30750
(1-18-2007 Accident/hit curb Wishbone, replace 2 wheels, 4 wheel alignment I pd $500/Ins pd $2100) “
1-31-2007 Front Brakes $513.97 HC Maintenance 30980
6-12-2007 Mirror Replacement N/C Warranty Magna Donnelly (turned out another defective liquid stye)
2-7-2008 Pinion Flange (bs?) $589.52 HC Repair 34714
3-4-2008 Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF) $165.78 (clean) reposition air guide lower engine shield tabs damaged (Xtra $19 included in total) HC Repair 35025
9-17-2008 Dx only FSU (ck engine light red codes) $71.08 HC 36370(HC wrote same mi on 2 dates!)
10-1-2008 Fuel Sending Unit (FSU) Drop gas tank & ck wiring 469.44 (T= $540.52) HC 36370
6-30-2009 Fuel Sending Unit (FSU) N/C warranty Through trunk HC 41214
11-30-2009 Valve Cover gaskets, s. plugs, clean breather line hoses, air filter housing mount & grommet, “cylinder wash out” procedure HC $1275.67 44606
12-7-2009 MAF replace, Ignition Coil, Sway Bar bushing $ 1,117.06 Jag Dlr 44762

1-11-2011 Valve Cover gaskets (2nd X!) & tensioners $1321.77 Jag Dlr Repair
Replace secondary tensioners $430 xtra (preventative maintenance) 52385 mi.
5-3-2011 Valve Cover gasket passenger side (3rd x!) Warranty Dlr 54674 (papers?)
5-3-2011 Reinstalled L Interior Sunroof Drain Support Chanel Arm N/C Dlr 54674
5-15-2010 New Battery SunDevil Auto $86.24 adj. price after <$20 core>, DIY Maintenance xxxxx mi.
11-26-2010 DIY replace Ignition Coil #1 ~$134 ~51000
12-20-2011 Front Brakes (~733), Flush radiator (~161) Dx ABS $1038.34 Jag Dlr 59099
12-22-2011 Breakdown! T-stat housing failure (Tow pd by Dlr) $390.62 Jag Dlr 59149
12-27-2011 Headliner $309.92 Unique Auto Upholstery
2-7-2012 ABS module sent for rebuild (I found place) $555.40 Jag Dlr 59805
4-23-2012 Driver leather seat bottom -replace $358.14 Upholstery Shop & Tops
8-8-2012 Headlight low beam replace x2 $20 DIY Walmart
5-2012 Mirror repair (2nd x) $95 Sybesma
08-2012 Leaper replacement (2nd X) $72.88 DIY eBay canman9
08-18-2012 Glove Box damper repair $0.00 DIY
11-2-2012 Tied up loose plastic front under bumper plastic guard with coat hanger DIY 64060
11-16-2012 New Battery Roy’s N/C adjustment
12-7-2012 Brake Switch repair/replace FSEM $167.12 Jag Dlr 64773
12-11-2012 No Start-Fuel Pump repair/replace Jag Dlr $115 Tow + $1004.65 = $1120 64801
(“12-19-2012” J-Gate + Sports & CC backlight never repaired $0Jag Dlr 64951 mi.)
12-26-2012 repair seat, screw leather due to broken clip Upholstery Shop & Tops N/C
3-22-2013 Repair door check arm torn through sheet metal, DIY, reinforce 3 other DCAs ~$3, ~66,250
4-22-2013 Replace rivet under front bumper skin, DIY $4.99 AutoZone ~66,735
5-30-2013 ~67300, Failed Emissions, No voltage @ data link connector. Can’t read OBD-2. Replace blown fuse #4, 5A, Jaguar Diagnostic Connector L heel board. $0
3-5-2014 OBD2 Cyl 5 misfire. DIY replace Ignition Coil $116.10 71879 mi.
3-3-2014 Glove Box damper re-repair (cord broke again) $0.00 DIY
7-30-2014 Rear brakes Jag Dlr (~ 600) + replace leaking coolant outlet crossover pipe/housing (~269) T= $868.65 74,233 miles.
10-11-2014 Glove Box damper re-repair (cord broke again) $0.00 DIY
10-29-2014: Alternator replacement Jag Dlr $ 946.21 75764 mi.

Not included; oil changes, tire replacement

 

Steve:
How many miles?

 

76,600

 

My Jag has never seen the inside of a shop. Neither did my previous Jag. I've replaced one coil on my current Jag, that I've had about five years, and one knock sensor. I did the secondary chain tensioners and the aluminum thermo housing as PM shortly after I got it. Of course I have done the brakes, oil changes, tranny fluid change and had the tires replaced. I guess if you do take it in to a dealer or a shop you will get shaken down pretty good.