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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 10:07 AM
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Hey Guys, I'm in the process of researching how to achieve the camber I want in the rear of my series 3. I know i can remove the shims for some adjustment but i don't think that will give me the degree I want. Sooooo, my thinking is to shorten the half shafts and machine a custom spacer to set the camber. I'm not 100% sure until I start playing with it but I'm thinking like 3-4 degrees. Any foreseeable issues? Reference below
 
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 10:11 AM
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Also does anyone have any experience shorting the axles? Picture below shows one method. When doing this do you turn down both ends of the yoke and use a tube to achieve length, or do you only do one end and sleeve it? Thanks!

 
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 10:50 AM
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I'd say it's certainly 'doable'. I'd think any shop that specializes in shortening driveshafts can shorten your axle shafts, as their really nothing more than a short driveshaft. I'm a little uncertain about this as a DIY project. Balance and straightness issues come to mind.

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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 10:52 AM
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I agree with your concerns. I would defiantly be utilizing a machine shop for the fabrication work.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ruffindustries
Any foreseeable issues?
Issues regarding the process of shortening the shaft? Or issues resulting from adding a lot more camber?

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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 10:56 AM
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I've never seen anyone run camber like that before on a Jag. On paper it sounds like the shortening the axles and adding spacers wouldn't really alter the way the camber is set originally correct? its just going to allow more adjustment. When I say issues i mean like possibly the bolts not being long enough to cater to the spacer or something to that effect.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ruffindustries
I've never seen anyone run camber like that before on a Jag. On paper it sounds like the shortening the axles and adding spacers wouldn't really alter the way the camber is set originally correct?
As I see it, yes, correct

When I say issues i mean like possibly the bolts not being long enough to cater to the spacer or something to that effect.
You'd probably need longer bolts, yes.

You're blazing the trail here.

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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 11:20 AM
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I figure I might as well keep going... current state of my rear setup.....


 
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 11:23 AM
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 03:01 PM
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1. Cut the shafts. Aye, that sure would change the camber. i see the idea of shimss as a way to fine tune the degree of camber.

2. A drive line shop should have no issue at all with the project.

3. with a huge amount of luck and ingenuity, DIY might just do it.

3. A tale. Circa 52, a local had a nice 49 ford convertible. Not happy with the V8 in it. Fancied a Cad conversion that was popular. Alas a 332 CI OHV beyond his budget.
But, a 48 flat head Caddie and hydramatic was. Teh two drive shafts were cut, mted and welded on the shop floor. His uncle's shop. it worked !! Sorta. Now, a lot lower in front. The big Caddy was heavier than the Ford V8. it sounded great and according to the owner drove just fine.... ..
 
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 03:52 PM
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Is the point of that to look ridiculous/odd or is there a handling advantage?
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by motorcarman
Is the point of that to look ridiculous/odd or is there a handling advantage?
(asking for a friend)
If by ridiculous you are meaning ridiculously cool!? HAHA I'm sure someone would argue a function to it but I honestly just like it aesthetically. Different strokes you know.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 07:52 PM
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U-joints aren't going to be happy with that much camber. U-joints aren't constant velocity, so they need equal and opposite angle at each end to cancel each other out.

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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ruffindustries
If by ridiculous you are meaning ridiculously cool!? HAHA I'm sure someone would argue a function to it but I honestly just like it aesthetically. Different strokes you know.
i do enjoy the negative camber, not sure on a xj6 though, not to mention the sheer number of tires you're gonna be burning through, don't forget how goddamn heavy these beasts are
 
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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 10:10 PM
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In a previous life someone set Nix's rear camber at -1 and welded it up.
Even one degree negative is noticeable, but it doesn't eat tires.
Only corners like it's on rails.
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Old Jun 27, 2021 | 05:24 AM
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I say, gentlemen, don't you feel 3-4 degrees negative is rather excessive?

Nevertherless, I would like a little more NC on my LHS (all shims removed) so I like your thinking.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2021 | 09:00 AM
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I agree (although not being a Gentleman I have waited for Guys to say it first), 3-4 degrees IS excessive.
As I mentioned above, even 1 degree is noticeable. In these parts, only Boy Racers with 9 inch rims on Slammed Hondas set their camber so aggressively.
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Seems that way back a pretty fast NASCAR racer did the negative camber on his mid 80's Tbirds. Bill Elliott. Straight rear axle. Bent just a tad. Put the bearings in stress.

Stuck better on track. good enough for practice qualifying and 500 miles. good enough

It does countet the tendency to tuck a tire on the outside wheel in a tight turn. .
 
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Old Jun 28, 2021 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by LnrB
I agree (although not being a Gentleman I have waited for Guys to say it first), 3-4 degrees IS excessive.
As I mentioned above, even 1 degree is noticeable. In these parts, only Boy Racers with 9 inch rims on Slammed Hondas set their camber so aggressively.
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I just threw 3-4 degrees out there not knowing what will look the best. I will be modest with her......
 
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Old Jun 29, 2021 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ruffindustries
I just threw 3-4 degrees out there not knowing what will look the best. I will be modest with her......
Will mention it once more in case previous comment got missed. You may start to run into vibration issues if running much more than 1 degree. U-joints aren't constant velocity joints.
 
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