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Old Jul 21, 2019 | 02:43 PM
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I am a huge fan of the 6.2 Chevy, even though its a push rod.
Then there are other factors, first ever mass produced true supercar, since the Eype.
First mass produced (efficiency of scale) American supercar.
A supercar I can afford and half the price of my car.

The fact that its a Chevrolet. Folks who think right, they did not capitulate into small engine displacement when the their competitor Ford was going in that direction.
And you know they are going to supercharge this thing, as they have other 6.2 engines, which is a total monster.

But in my situation and an ever changing world, I feel that the era and the ability to drive enthusiastically has passed. Due to traffic and dash cams and pedestrians on scooters. Not to mention the millennials in their damn prius' driving 35mph. I live in a city.
If anything I need a grand tourer for the long trips. The Transformers/ Fighterjet motive of sharp lines does not suit me.
It was simply 5 years too late.

Hat's off to Chevrolet they just left Ford in the previous century.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2019 | 03:46 PM
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Tell that to the owner of a 2017-up 3.5L V6 powered Ford GT. There IS a replacement for displacement.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2019 | 04:39 PM
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I'm a wedge style fan and would consider looking at and driving one. I didn't think I would move from the XKR but I like the design. Once again it's a weekend cruiser and golf car for me so if it fits golf clubs and a weekend bag I may be tempted. My bet is it will sell for over $60 K even the base models and I hear the Z06 type will be in the $130 to $150K range which isn't for me. We'll just have to wait and see. This was the wedge I sold to buy the XKR.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2019 | 07:23 PM
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The mid-engine Vette seems to be a home run. However, I think its a different car/buyer than the XKR.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2019 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Stuart S
Tell that to the owner of a 2017-up 3.5L V6 powered Ford GT. There IS a replacement for displacement.

And By the way Ford did the Mid Engined GT several years, before Chevrolet. Like about 54 years. Won Le'mans with it #3 years in a row???,and Not just there "class" either, the whole damn enchilada! Anybody remember that ? Chevrolet is ahead of Ford???? The last time I heard that joke, my Momma fell off her Dinosaur!!! Also as Stuart Pointed out they came back 50 Years later, and Won again at Le'mans. Sounds to me like Chevrolet is late to the Party once again. Oh, and by the way it didn't take 6.2 L to do it either.

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Old Jul 21, 2019 | 10:12 PM
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Given I'm in Michigan in the United States and we don't have really any taxation or restriction on engine displacement. I don't care that the engine is a certain displacement per horsepower. I care about weight of the engine, reliability, exterior dimensions and fuel economy. The LS and later Chevrolet V8s are excellent in all of these categories, hence why you see LS motors shoved in about anything.

I'm extremely tempted, and I get the GM employee discount from my brother, so I'm betting I could get one for high fifties all in (I don't really feel any options other than maybe Z51 are ones I'd consider). I just know that these will be extremely successful and also still depreciate so I'll probably wait and go used. This car is a really big deal. I don't care that Ford has a 3.5L powered HyperCar that cost several orders of magnitude more, this is 60k, and 60k in 2020. I'm waffling on this, but my hatred of new car depreciation probably means I'll just stick on plan DB9 and get the vette later.

The new Vette is like the F Type; it brings people to the brand that wouldn't have given it a second look before. This is really good.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2019 | 10:14 PM
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Jagtoes,
I'm with you all the way. The Italian wedges of the '70s were just beautiful designs and every time I see your old Ferrari, I wonder how you could have parted with it. It's still gorgeous design decades later. As you know I have a red Pantera and as another poster has said, Chevrolet has been talking about mid-engined Corvettes since 1971 when the Pantera debuted in the U.S. under Ford's auspices. One of the things that I don't like about the new Vette from pictures is the ugly, busy. ungraceful rear end of the car. I'll reserve final judgement until I've seen it in person, however. How's the pic below for an uncluttered rear end. Check out the discussion and pictures of the C-8's rear end design on the F-type forum to see what I mean.

 
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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 12:42 AM
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I wonder how the interior space and openess compares.

Glass roof, or removable roof? Gives a good impression of space.

I know from driving the C7 that I vastly prefer the green house of the XK.

I'm not sure it gets better with the C8.

The Jaguar has an interior that is relaxing. I wouldn't give that up for another car that doesn't have that same attribute.

Now sell my C5 'Vette and get a C8, that probably still would not happen. I like my manual gearbox.

Each car a different purpose. It is possible the C8 has a more comfortable ride than a 5.0 XKR.

That could sway on a GT if the luggage compartment still is decent. Mid engine cars aren't normally famous for cross country luggage space.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 80sRule
I just know that these will be extremely successful and also still depreciate so I'll probably wait and go used. This car is a really big deal. I don't care that Ford has a 3.5L powered HyperCar that cost several orders of magnitude more, this is 60k, and 60k in 2020. I'm waffling on this, but my hatred of new car depreciation probably means I'll just stick on plan DB9 and get the vette later.
Yes its a very big deal. Assume that the Ford did not cost $500k, say it cost $50k, its not a mass produced car that you can put miles on and use as a daily driver, even if in yet another fantasy it was mass produced, it does not have the creature comforts that would make daily driving practical.

Got to help you out if you are serious. This car will not depreciate! big point here. I have owned a few and used to export Corvettes for extra income, when the ZR1 came out I was paying $20k over sticker, that was a lot of money back then, folks in Germany were giving me 30k over sticker. Because...at that time it was the only American car the Germans considered a sports car. A mid-engine naturally aspirated car that can do 0-60 in 3 seconds, and available in RH or LH steering; even with 2 shifts there is no way even the international demand will be met. By the time it starts depreciating the party will be over and our own lives would have depreciated. If you can get on the list due to family, you could sell yours 2 years later for what you gave for it. Bet you a $100.

The only supercar for $60k and it does 0-60 in 3, and has the latest tech. And it has a cult following. I would not bank on depreciation- appreciation!! make money if you can.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 06:21 AM
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Jagtoes,
I'm with you all the way. The Italian wedges of the '70s were just beautiful designs and every time I see your old Ferrari, I wonder how you could have parted with it. It's still gorgeous design decades later. As you know I have a red Pantera and as another poster has said, Chevrolet has been talking about mid-engined Corvettes since 1971 when the Pantera debuted in the U.S. under Ford's auspices. One of the things that I don't like about the new Vette from pictures is the ugly, busy. ungraceful rear end of the car. I'll reserve final judgement until I've seen it in person, however. How's the pic below for an uncluttered rear end. Check out the discussion and pictures of the C-8's rear end design on the F-type forum to see what I mean.
Thanks and unlike your Pantera (love it) I started to get a little paranoid about driving the 308 due to parts costs. I owned the car for 14 years and only put on 30K miles. Started to get concerned although it was fairly reliable I just didn't want to risk any major failure. I also was getting lazy and didn't want to crawl under the wheel wells to work on it. I did all of my own work so it was in good shape when I sold it.
As for the C8 I think the big issue here is how it will ride and considering it's gone to coil overs instead of the transverse spring it may be more comfortable then the past models ( my 63 or 71) . So as I mentioned we'll have to wait and see . The major issue would be 1st year blues and then how available will they be to buy.
Oh there is also no doubt that I would have purchased a GT40 if it were in a decent price range. But they are untouchable to my wallet. I even considered a Superformance copy at one time. Once again liked the design.
 

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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 08:01 AM
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I can't imagine myself buying a Vette regardless of how cool it looks or fast it drives. A Vette is just not me... When it comes time to replace the Rapide, I am looking at either a Vanquish, DB11, or Ferrari California/California T,
 
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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 08:04 AM
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Before you place an order for C8, please make sure you understand the costs of "engine out" services. That is, consider how much, for example, would it take to replace water pump.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 08:57 AM
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My water pump is 10 years and 75K+ miles old in my XK.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 10:09 AM
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mosesbotbol,
I would have figured you'd hold out for the new Lotus Evija, 2000hp and Lotus handling and ride, what could be better?

tervuren,
Luggage space is not necessarily elimiated in mid-engined cars. My '72 Pantera has much more space than my XKR coupe, it has a lift out luggage compartment that sits on top of the transaxle that has room for real suitcases, and I have personally put two sets of golf clubs in mine. Plus there is also a front smaller trunk as well. So, depending upon how the C-8 is configured, there is the possibility of decent luggage space.

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And finally, again on how the configuration is, when you lift the luggage compartment out of my Pantera, there is full access to the rear of the engine and inside of the cabin, the firewall unbolts from the frame and comes out to allow access to belts, water pumps, pulleys, etc. It doesn't necessarily have to be an engine out scenario. A lot depends upon the cleverness of the designers.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 10:32 AM
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It doesn't necessarily have to be an engine out scenario. A lot depends upon the cleverness of the designers.
Chevrolet took similar steps in the C8

This is not a one-off halo car for them. This has to be reliable and inexpensive to repair to preserve the reputation.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 11:21 AM
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mosesbotbol,
I would have figured you'd hold out for the new Lotus Evija, 2000hp and Lotus handling and ride, what could be better?
I have deposits on two them as I couldn't decide which color I wanted, so why not just buy both?
 
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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 11:32 AM
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mosesbotbol,
I would have figured you'd hold out for the new Lotus Evija, 2000hp and Lotus handling and ride, what could be better?......
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol
I have deposits on two them as I couldn't decide which color I wanted, so why not just buy both?
How'd you manage that? Lotus steadfastly refused to sell me two of them, stating "Only one per customer".
 
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Old Jul 22, 2019 | 12:10 PM
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How'd you manage that? Lotus steadfastly refused to sell me two of them, stating "Only one per customer".
I spelled my name different on each order. ;-)

I wish I was of pocketbook to be a potential customer of such a car. This car really makes a statement for the marque and sets new standards for performance and aero on subsequent super cars. Going to be a very tough act to follow by anybody. Engineering is impressive as is the construction in carbon fiber.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2019 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tberg
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And finally, again on how the configuration is, when you lift the luggage compartment out of my Pantera, there is full access to the rear of the engine and inside of the cabin, the firewall unbolts from the frame and comes out to allow access to belts, water pumps, pulleys, etc. It doesn't necessarily have to be an engine out scenario. A lot depends upon the cleverness of the designers.
I agree, it doesn't necessary has to be, but I think it IS on C8. They have reinforced structure called "backbone" going through the middle of cockpit.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2019 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SinF
I agree, it doesn't necessary has to be, but I think it IS on C8. They have reinforced structure called "backbone" going through the middle of cockpit.
All speculation until you see the details.
 
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