https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/jag...res-mja-2170bd is a link. The local Jag repair shop feels that these are quality products. I don't know and that is why I was asking if anyone has used them?

 

Could some polyurethane sealer be used to fill the void and keep it central? Just a thought

 

I am curious.....why are we, the users and, therefore, the customers, trying to solve Welsh's problem when he is not even acknowledging the situation? He is rather non-communicative about his problem. Another source is probably our solution to a very legitimate issue rather than trying re-engineer his product.

 

brinny: would not be easy to do....would have to drill-out the rivets holding the top piece on, keep the shock rod hole/pieces centered, fill with whatever, replace the rivets. Not an easy task.

scotstern: thanks for the info on the Eurospare parts....getting close to OEM price....and wonder how they are made....would they be similar to the URO ones....???? Looks like you get to be the trail test case here.

As far as us customers/users solving Welsh's problem.....I am still not convinced his product has a problem. Does the shock rod being off-centered in the upper shock mount a problem? Again this is not the issue of having metal to metal banging and clanging which is what happens when the foam or "whatever" fails. Does someone have the expertise in suspensions to answer this question?

 

In my experience, if the shock rod is off set enough from center, making contact with the metal top plate of the mount, a squeaking sound can be heard through the cabin. This happens even if the outer bush of the shock mount is in perfect condition. That squeak is enough to drive me insane.

 

just to note, the nuts on the welsh mount are 5/16-18 and not m8x1.25. Do not mix nuts or you will damage the threads.

 

I agree that being slightly off center is not really a failure unless it is accompanied by the crumbling of the center bushing.

I did not order my 2nd set of Welsh mounts online. I called them and had a lengthy conversation about the failure while I placed the replacement order. So the "not aware" position is complete bullsh!t. I got zero sympathy about the failure of my first set from the guy I spoke to. Not even an "I'll discuss it with the owner" response.

The whole situation is very disappointing and as a result I will be skeptical of any "new improved" declarations Welsh might make about their products in the future.

 

Please factor in the Lifetime Warranty that these FPC EURO parts have, that is worth a lot to me.


I tend to keep things I like a long, long time. That said, I like the XK8 and when I replace components I do it with longevity in mind.
The apparent issue with welsh mounts deteriorating is a problem for me. The lack of acknowledgement and support from Welsh tells me a lot about the business's attitude toward their customers.
I will install the purchased welsh mounts I have and hope for the best. I will always look elsewhere for other jag related parts. Shame on you Welsh.

wj

 

I like FCP Euro. All four Bilstein shocks for my wife's 2006 XK8 came from them. Fast, friendly service. Perhaps their upper shock mounts are indeed worth trying. Anyone willing to do it?

 

YES! on the lifetime warranty.....definitely worth the price considering the job it is replacing the upper mounts. Sure wish I had known about these as will likely keep the XK8 for another 10 yrs.

And I believe that scotstern is having the Eurospare mounts installed.

 

I just sent this. It will be interesting to see if they respond........


Maybe, you should read the following two threads on the Jaguar Forum as they are not exactly strong endorsements of your product or company. It might be nice if you were to post on the forum with your side of the story.

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...mounts-233892/

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...-mount-231785/

 

Hey brinny: I took another look the the mount I drilled the rivets out of.....you-know....it would not be very difficult at all to apply some type of silicon sealant or something to keep it centered. Putting three new aluminum rivets back in, pretty easy. I am going to try this on the set I removed. Does require 1/4" or about a 6mm short grip range pop rivets and the tool....both of which I have.

Thought I would try applying some type of adhesive on the bottom piece to keep it centered, and then fill the void with something.....have not decided on what that something would be.....perhaps the stuff that is used to glue windshields in.....???

 

try goop but let it fully dry for several days in the sun. Once the solvent smell is gone it is totally dry. It will definitely glue the metal center piece to the surrounding metal. The soft pieces I think are a silicone based material from the feel of it...if so adhesion will not be present.with any adhesive.
wj


goop:

 

The center metal piece or shock rod bushing does not contact any metal; it is between the two poly(?) pieces.
I did glue the bottom poly piece to the metal...and I think it will stay in place well enough so as to be able to fill the void with that unknown material to prevent the shifting. This material does not need to adhere to the metal mount, just needs to not easily compress so as to keep the three pieces from being able to shift.
I still have no idea what would work that I would be able to obtain.

 

I have a great idea as to what you could obtain that might work very well. How about someone else's product. The people on this forum have been more than helpful in trying to solve a problem that is actually Welsh's issue. They have not chosen to be responsive in any way and have been less than helpful to people that have had issues (David Welsh , not his people). Now, given the facts as presented, why continue to re-engineer his product when he will not even address his customer's concerns?

There are other products offered that seem to have the endorsement of well regarded Jaguar shops and carry a lifetime warranty. I am one that will use EuroSpec, as recommended by Coventry Jaguar and be pleased with the lifetime warranty provided. Seems simple to me.....

 

Poly bushes are made from polyurethane. You can get it in a tube like silicon, i would have thought that ideal . Just needs time to go off. Have a look on you tube people making their own bushes .

 

I can't speak for the welsh mounts. but when my SNG barratt mounts moved off centre after only eight months, i made a collar out of 6mm rubber strip.
the inner donut now fits in a snug jacket.
did this 2 years ago and it's been fine ever since.

 

Well done....

 

I'm going on memory here, so there may be a fact or two that is inaccurate. Been a few years.
When Jon89 and I did his upper mounts with the then new upgraded Welch mounts (at that time) there was a major problem. At that time they did not come as a unit but had to be assembled with pop rivets. This turned out to be a major problem, as not only the cone in the middle was very difficult to compress, the outer ring would snap the rivet after setting there for a few minutes.
Our solution was to buy stainless steel bolts and nuts with washers and that solved it. The pinched outer ring was difficult but the main issue was the center bushing. The one that seems to be a problem now as far as not being made large enough to restrict movement. It was a major problem with the first ones that needed to be assembled.
Jon89 did contact Welsh about out problem and shortly there after they came out with the two half's put together with a separate middle flat pieces and not the cone that needed to be crushed.
So, it looks like in solving the one issue they didn't look at the over all design problem.
We have had no centering problems on Jon's wife's car, so having to get the system crushed in place was the answer to the problem, but they took away that part to make it easier to install. OK, we got that part solved, between the plates is not a wear area now, but it would be nice to in cooperate a centering hard poly cone.
For the members getting ready to take this little project on, FPC EURO would seem the way to go.
A follow up to a few of those installs would be helpful.

 

Wayne's reply above explains what we did back in early January 2016 when we installed the Welsh components in my wife's 2006 XK8. I just checked my notes from that day. Instead of the lousy aluminum rivets supplied by Welsh to hold the two metal shock plates together prior to installing them back into the shock assembly, we used three 10/32 x 1/2 flat head countersunk screws with matching nuts per side. They came from the local Lowe's store. The screws were part no. 214015 (3 per pack, 2 packs needed). The nuts were part no. 154565 (3 per pack, 2 packs needed). Total cost was just over $8. This much-improved solution has kept the Welsh upper shock mounts in my wife's car performing perfectly since we installed them. I hope that will continue to be the case. But it is a shame that the current Welsh kit's design seems to be a big step backwards in durability and longevity of the product....

For those of you who decide to go with the FCP Euro product, please let us know how your installation goes as well as how the product holds up once you have some miles on them....