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One more step towards self driving, speed limit obeying, electric powered, autonomous eggs instead of actual cars that you can take pleasure in driving. .......I'll take mine in appliance white please! LOL
One more step towards self driving, speed limit obeying, electric powered, autonomous eggs instead of actual cars that you can take pleasure in driving. .......I'll take mine in appliance white please! LOL
Someone posted on another forum UK Department for Transport figures for accidents which showed that speed related deaths were only 10th on the list. "Driver failed to look properly" was number one, 8 times more prevalent than speeding. "Pedestrian failed to look properly" was 6th, so maybe legislation should be aimed at them. I'd also guess that failing to look properly accidents happened below the speed limit, so would be unaffected by new legislation which, BTW, is an EU initiative, not UK, even though we look as if we'll be suckered into it.
1. Driver failed to look properly - 42,189 accidents reported
2. Driver failed to judge other person’s path or speed - 21,211 accidents reported
3. Driver was careless, reckless or in a hurry - 17,845 accidents reported
4. Driver had poor turn or manoeuvre - 15,560 accidents reported
5. Loss of control - 12,151 accidents reported
6. Pedestrian failed to look properly - 8,687 accidents reported
7. Slippery road surface - 7,327 accidents reported
8. Driver was travelling too fast for conditions - 6,468 accidents reported
9. Driver was following too close - 6,040 accidents reported
10. Driver was exceeding speed limit - 5,102 accidents reported
I have question for old timers, when post oil crisis regulations first appeared in US and killed muscle cars, did people keep buying neutered cars or held on to old cars for longer?
It will be enabled/disabled by the driver in the same way as the start/stop function, and for safety would always be overridable by pressing the accelerator pedal just like overriding cruise control so the only newsworthy bit is that the sign recognition (which is already fitted to many JLR vehicles) will be linked with the GPS data and the speed limiter. That is a helpful development.
When I drive around town, or in almost any restricted limit area, I always use the speed limiter anyway. This will make zero difference to me. In fact it will be more helpful because now I need to manually set the limiter to 30mph at the start of every trip which is a pita.
First SCM, I thought that's why you Brit's started the whole Brexit thing to begin, i.e., you didn't want the EU telling you what to do.
Next SinF, an Old Timer? Dear God, I've never had to answer to that before, but I guess if the shoe fits... I was a freshman in college in '73/'74 during the oil embargo and had '67 Chevy Belair with a 283 small block in it. The oil embargo was only a potion of the problem. Everyone wanted to get better gas mileage but, at least in my mind, the biggest part of the problem was the pollution control measures that really kicked in in '72/'73. They had cars doing the 1/4 mile in minutes, but who cares the speed limit was 55 mph and at least here in the Midwest it was strictly enforced.
So, after my freshman year I cobbled enough money to together to sell the Chevy and bought....
1970 Triumph Spitfire Mk III - it had a 1296 cubic inch 4 cylinder with a single Stromberg carburetor and got about 38 mpg doing 55 on the highway. I thought I was a genius at the time. Well, 3 gearboxes later I decided I wasn't so smart. Talk about a lousy gearbox. The throw from first (which did not have synchromesh) to second was about two feet.
I did like the car and thought it was probably the finest looking Spitfire ever made so I kept it. This was a picture from last summer.
Originally Posted by SinF
I have question for old timers, when post oil crisis regulations first appeared in US and killed muscle cars, did people keep buying neutered cars or held on to old cars for longer?
I have question for old timers, when post oil crisis regulations first appeared in US and killed muscle cars, did people keep buying neutered cars or held on to old cars for longer?
Like now, the non-enthusiasts didn’t care what the regulators or manufacturers did. They just kept buying new. The enthusiasts just kept modding what they could. With the read-only ECU chips, it was difficult to accomplish any real tuning on the late-70 to early-90 cars. The best I could accomplish with my cross-fire injection ‘84 vette was to re-cam and modify the ECU input signals with resistors and capacitors to fool the chip. I was able to raise the output from 205hp to 300 hp on a 350 ci engine (5.7L). Too many chip configurations for the aftermarket to offer tuned chips to a significant variety of cars.
I have question for old timers, when post oil crisis regulations first appeared in US and killed muscle cars, did people keep buying neutered cars or held on to old cars for longer?
I'm guessing you mean the oil shortages that hit in the late 70's and resulted in lines at the pumps and rationing. The shortages in '73 were only for a few months, but prices nearly doubled and stayed fairly steady until the next round of crisis in '79-'80 took them up another 50%, or so. The European crowd will have no sympathy, since the U.S. started under $.40/gallon and they were about that per liter. The difference in gas prices had a lot to do with why muscle cars were never that big an item there.
For the performance crowd, there was some tendency to hang onto cars from before emission controls were introduced ('69). Government fuel economy standards (CAFE) started after the embargo and pushed manufacturers toward higher average mpg's. That did a lot to prop up the introduction of Honda/Toyota/Datsun, but, I'd have to say that most of the demand impact on new muscle cars came from shear economics. In that era, I had a '70 Ford Torino with a 351 Cleveland that got about 10 mpg. As a grad student, I found a 16 year-old who gladly took over the Torino. I bought an Accord.
Been brought out here in Ireland too, and black box devices fitted, the insurance will love looking at your data for a year before your yearly quote, looks like there'll be a surge of buying high performance cars soon if this comes in, all the older cars value will rocket.
In college I had a '71 Chrysler New York with a 440 4 barrel that my father gave me to drive at school. It's all I could afford, so I paid the gas and drove like I stole it. Hence my current V8 fixation. Sat 8 comfortably. Grew up with muscle cars. I still look twice when I see a '65 Buick Riviera (455 4 barrel). A friend had this in high school and we bombed around in it for years. Silver with red leather interior; had A/C, power everything. Problem with all these cars is they didn't handle at all. Good luck with stopping those boats, too. I've come to understand the finer British Muscle car paradigm now.
There has been TR-3's going thru auctions recently. My first car was a '59 TR-3A bought in '65 for $600. A cracked head and lost 3rd gear and 2 years it had to go because a 400 mile drive to college in northern ca and of course the rain. I sold it for $900 so only lost about $300. I still miss it and have a diecast in the right color in my collection.
Like now, the non-enthusiasts didn’t care what the regulators or manufacturers did. They just kept buying new. The enthusiasts just kept modding what they could. With the read-only ECU chips, it was difficult to accomplish any real tuning on the late-70 to early-90 cars. The best I could accomplish with my cross-fire injection ‘84 vette was to re-cam and modify the ECU input signals with resistors and capacitors to fool the chip. I was able to raise the output from 205hp to 300 hp on a 350 ci engine (5.7L). Too many chip configurations for the aftermarket to offer tuned chips to a significant variety of cars.
From '75 - '85 was the period I referred to as the automotive dark ages. I drove older mid-60's to early '70's cars that hadn't been neutered and were still much faster than the newer stuff......The one I drove most was a 1970 W30 442 (370hp/500ft lb 455cu in). by the late '80's things finally started warming up again; my brother bought a 1989 5.0 Mustang Coupe and another friend an '87 Buick Grand National but they were both still slow compared to the 442, GTO, etc. It took quite some time for the performance pendulum to finally swing enough to give new cars an acceleration advantage over the top drawer musclecars from '68 - '71.
They are taking away as many men's pleasures as they can get their hands on.
Would you believe Disneyland banned smoking.
Can you imagine going the whole day without a stogie at an outdoor park on your vacation, surrounded by screaming rascals.
Its a terrible time to live. I remember when employees would light your smoke and give you Disney matches.
03-27-2019, 08:22 AM
UK mandating auto speed limiters
