Starting Problems / Penelope
Put the new battery in backwards again and regrouping with good starter rotation but no light off ( carry on forward )
Battery post were built backwards so fell into that error out of complacency
New battery fully charged
All relays in the corners of the fuse boxes click closed
Large voltage sag ( 9 volts ) at starter rotation
Bosch rebuilt starter installed with low use that worked before
No voltage sag with cabin blowers running
Fuel pump relay jumpered and pump runs and bypass noise at fuel pressure regulator
Bore wash treatment soaked overnight
starter fluid got a couple of cylinders to ignite
Cleaned plugs
CKPS replaced as was reading no cranking RPMs , indicates now
Drained at fuel filter and fresh fuel ( 3 gallons ) but no fuel gauge indication
Battery charger on full start amperage setting
Getting ready to parallel 2 batteries if the old one can be any help
The fact that the battery post are backwards probably had me confused recently thinking the last battery was bad on charger
New battery charger questionable , wouldn't drive a 12 volt air pump but then I think it has a battery self test before providing umf or a delay
Maybe change fuel filter again
Battery post were built backwards so fell into that error out of complacency
New battery fully charged
All relays in the corners of the fuse boxes click closed
Large voltage sag ( 9 volts ) at starter rotation
Bosch rebuilt starter installed with low use that worked before
No voltage sag with cabin blowers running
Fuel pump relay jumpered and pump runs and bypass noise at fuel pressure regulator
Bore wash treatment soaked overnight
starter fluid got a couple of cylinders to ignite
Cleaned plugs
CKPS replaced as was reading no cranking RPMs , indicates now
Drained at fuel filter and fresh fuel ( 3 gallons ) but no fuel gauge indication
Battery charger on full start amperage setting
Getting ready to parallel 2 batteries if the old one can be any help
The fact that the battery post are backwards probably had me confused recently thinking the last battery was bad on charger
New battery charger questionable , wouldn't drive a 12 volt air pump but then I think it has a battery self test before providing umf or a delay
Maybe change fuel filter again
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 3, 2023 at 09:41 PM.
Going to replace the CKPS again as it has a spark to backfire but maybe timing is off
It should read 1300ohms as a basic test
Should be starting off the cam position sensor anyway
I'll have to verify cam position sensor adjusted correctly
But then the ignition timing should be retarded more toward TDC in the starting sequence
It should read 1300ohms as a basic test
Should be starting off the cam position sensor anyway
I'll have to verify cam position sensor adjusted correctly
But then the ignition timing should be retarded more toward TDC in the starting sequence
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 4, 2023 at 12:17 AM.
I'll have to check the large ECU control relay in the morning as I have another court date on the unlicensed car in private home driveway
And a fuse check
$ !00 a day fine
And a fuse check
$ !00 a day fine
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 4, 2023 at 12:57 AM.
Back up so back at it
No local assistance as I'm a final stage kidney failure patient getting things accomplished in order for kidney transplant
local brother and father no help or neighbors
But will be a Rocky Moment to succeed in spite of that
Fuse check first especially right engine bay fuse box
No local assistance as I'm a final stage kidney failure patient getting things accomplished in order for kidney transplant
local brother and father no help or neighbors
But will be a Rocky Moment to succeed in spite of that
Fuse check first especially right engine bay fuse box
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 4, 2023 at 08:40 AM.
Right engine bay fuse check good
Green corrosion in the wire strands in the battery cable connection to fuse box terminal post , will look for new terminal end to correct.. In the mean time will put a battery jumper cable between firewall terminal post and right fuse box post
Walking to pick up another fuel filter ( may be clogged from contaminated fuel ) and another CKPS from a different source
Large ECU control relay not checked as a single person operation but assuming it should click on removal with key in run , clicks OK so getting correct close command.
Green corrosion in the wire strands in the battery cable connection to fuse box terminal post , will look for new terminal end to correct.. In the mean time will put a battery jumper cable between firewall terminal post and right fuse box post
Walking to pick up another fuel filter ( may be clogged from contaminated fuel ) and another CKPS from a different source
Large ECU control relay not checked as a single person operation but assuming it should click on removal with key in run , clicks OK so getting correct close command.
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 4, 2023 at 11:04 AM.
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Current old CKPS 0.3 Mega ohms and wacky
Current replaced CKPS 1450 ohms as basic reading so it's at lest intact but maybe smaller signal amplitude when functioning
Another CKPS coming in within the hour from a different source
Jumpered the terminal post on right engine bay fuse box , no help
Recharging battery for another try with starter fluid
Current replaced CKPS 1450 ohms as basic reading so it's at lest intact but maybe smaller signal amplitude when functioning
Another CKPS coming in within the hour from a different source
Jumpered the terminal post on right engine bay fuse box , no help
Recharging battery for another try with starter fluid
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 4, 2023 at 12:52 PM.
Thanks Vee ,
The car was running when purchased but wonky as they had the wiring sub par
The original inertia switch was removed by me and I have a replacement
Currently have the 2 white wires spliced
Car was running in this configuration the Christmas before last when the alternator bearing gave up the smoke of death
So the car has a history of bad aged fuel and water in the fill well
Putting in new fuel filter in hand now with fresh premium fuel that was changed last week
Another CKPS in hand now
The car was running when purchased but wonky as they had the wiring sub par
The original inertia switch was removed by me and I have a replacement
Currently have the 2 white wires spliced
Car was running in this configuration the Christmas before last when the alternator bearing gave up the smoke of death
So the car has a history of bad aged fuel and water in the fill well
Putting in new fuel filter in hand now with fresh premium fuel that was changed last week
Another CKPS in hand now
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 4, 2023 at 02:21 PM.
Jaguar court was canceled at the last minute for their internet issues
So the $ 100 a day doesn't start for next court date of 2 weeks from now
Question ;
Copper wave washers were included with the new filter but left them out
Almost caught a tread on the last fitting but close
Outie on the outie side
But.............................since the new fuel pressure regulator and yesterdays fuel filter is making bypass noise I'm assuming the pump through filter is achieving needed pressure , at least for start
My next step is to visit the salvage yard for a replacement battery cable to the right engine by fuse box < alot of ugly green in the cable strands at the post terminal end , or swap with the left
When I had the rear seat out I did not recocongize the triangle Terminal post cover until Watto700 posted a pic so will be getting on it
So the $ 100 a day doesn't start for next court date of 2 weeks from now
Question ;
Copper wave washers were included with the new filter but left them out
Almost caught a tread on the last fitting but close
Outie on the outie side
But.............................since the new fuel pressure regulator and yesterdays fuel filter is making bypass noise I'm assuming the pump through filter is achieving needed pressure , at least for start
My next step is to visit the salvage yard for a replacement battery cable to the right engine by fuse box < alot of ugly green in the cable strands at the post terminal end , or swap with the left
When I had the rear seat out I did not recocongize the triangle Terminal post cover until Watto700 posted a pic so will be getting on it
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 4, 2023 at 03:57 PM.
Glad you got an extension on the court date. We don't want to see her to go to automotive jail. You either!
A few months back is when I put the battery in backwards to move away from house for painters
I'm sure I tried to start it back then but no starter rotation
So tried to naturally shift to neutral to push away the shift lock solenoid. prevented that
remembering the override screw I jumped on the forum for instructions and someone came through
Then I discovered how I fell for the new battery post being built backwards
Currently the BPM should not be completely dead as this enables starter solenoid relay closing and i currently have that
Same not completely dead ECU as this enables the starter as well
The salvage yard probably has these 2 items and would be a good idea to a least have a future spare
Shift lock solenoid works correctly with battery properly installed as well as the rest of the car coming alive
From experience when I first purchased the car I put the battery in backwards and it blew a couple of fuses and fried the voltage regulator but recovered from that and ran
Have a spare IN435 voltage regulator in hand after engine running observation
Cold today but have to remove the rear seat for the battery cable terminal post under the triangular cover as a loose nut may be my 9 volt starter sag
9 volts should be too low for ECU operation but got it started in the past with this voltage value
Need to replace the right engine bay fuse box battery cable to square up even though jumpering from the firewall terminal post didn't help
I better not see the mayor driving my Jag while I'm sitting in driveway jail ( yep they threatened that ) I'll have to find a harmonica.
If they're so concerned with what is in my private driveway they can come help me shovel the snow off it
I'm sure I tried to start it back then but no starter rotation
So tried to naturally shift to neutral to push away the shift lock solenoid. prevented that
remembering the override screw I jumped on the forum for instructions and someone came through
Then I discovered how I fell for the new battery post being built backwards
Currently the BPM should not be completely dead as this enables starter solenoid relay closing and i currently have that
Same not completely dead ECU as this enables the starter as well
The salvage yard probably has these 2 items and would be a good idea to a least have a future spare
Shift lock solenoid works correctly with battery properly installed as well as the rest of the car coming alive
From experience when I first purchased the car I put the battery in backwards and it blew a couple of fuses and fried the voltage regulator but recovered from that and ran
Have a spare IN435 voltage regulator in hand after engine running observation
Cold today but have to remove the rear seat for the battery cable terminal post under the triangular cover as a loose nut may be my 9 volt starter sag
9 volts should be too low for ECU operation but got it started in the past with this voltage value
Need to replace the right engine bay fuse box battery cable to square up even though jumpering from the firewall terminal post didn't help
I better not see the mayor driving my Jag while I'm sitting in driveway jail ( yep they threatened that ) I'll have to find a harmonica.
If they're so concerned with what is in my private driveway they can come help me shovel the snow off it
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 5, 2023 at 11:28 AM.
I'd suggest going back to basics.
Check compression on all 6, Check Spark at all 6, check fueling. See what you've got and what you haven't got so you have a baseline and then go from there.
Don't assume anything. Prove it.
Check compression on all 6, Check Spark at all 6, check fueling. See what you've got and what you haven't got so you have a baseline and then go from there.
Don't assume anything. Prove it.
I have the original; FPR with a tap on the correct side for fuel pressure test , will put back in
Cranking RPMs show 200 instead of the 300 for the compression test Doc numbers even though in service compression values should be lower , this comes back around to the starter sag to 9 volts
Did a bore wash treatment and let soak overnight with a oil unsticking treatment , Rislone brand
The treatment may have washed away in the heat of battle
Node light may not work on coil supply wires so thinking of plug removal test method
Watching a old school needle meter flicker would confirm ECU is providing timed grounds for ECU functioning by having enough operating voltage
All coils tested OK on a Innova 4400 machine for whatever that's worth
Starter fluid will hardly get a couple of cylinder ignitions , like 1 in a 100 top cyleder firing positions
Cranking RPMs show 200 instead of the 300 for the compression test Doc numbers even though in service compression values should be lower , this comes back around to the starter sag to 9 volts
Did a bore wash treatment and let soak overnight with a oil unsticking treatment , Rislone brand
The treatment may have washed away in the heat of battle
Node light may not work on coil supply wires so thinking of plug removal test method
Watching a old school needle meter flicker would confirm ECU is providing timed grounds for ECU functioning by having enough operating voltage
All coils tested OK on a Innova 4400 machine for whatever that's worth
Starter fluid will hardly get a couple of cylinder ignitions , like 1 in a 100 top cyleder firing positions
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 5, 2023 at 08:22 PM.
Did a bore wash treatment and let soak overnight with a oil unsticking treatment , Rislone brand
All that is required is a teaspoon of standard engine oil in each cylinder. No need for it to soak. Just put it in, put the plugs back and fire up.
Will be using motor oil with a 20 ml syringe , but will hold off first least too much
will put a meter on the ground wire return to the ECU spark fire command , if it is there as a needle flicker at the starting sag voltage of 9 volts
Need to swap the 2 ECU powering relays least the power contacts got burnt , they click getting the correct command
Then pull the rear seat out and go through all battery cable terminal post connections
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 6, 2023 at 10:09 AM.
Parker
I have admired your inputs to this forum. I am in my 80's and I have too nearly stuffed up connections to batteries.
Consequently I have sprayed a substantial amount of red paint around every positive battery post and red paint on my battery terminals.
That alerts me that I may not be doing the connections correctly.
It works for me with currently 4 Jags 3 other brands 2 aeroplanes and a rider mower.
Cheers
I have admired your inputs to this forum. I am in my 80's and I have too nearly stuffed up connections to batteries.
Consequently I have sprayed a substantial amount of red paint around every positive battery post and red paint on my battery terminals.
That alerts me that I may not be doing the connections correctly.
It works for me with currently 4 Jags 3 other brands 2 aeroplanes and a rider mower.
Cheers
I had a taped on arrow pointing fwd as the positive post but not for the new battery that was built backwards and didn't catch it
Vision came back somewhat to drive and the posts have a brail raised plus and negative lettering but I relied on the overall layout being the same
And I was wrong
Vision came back somewhat to drive and the posts have a brail raised plus and negative lettering but I relied on the overall layout being the same
And I was wrong
Last edited by Parker 7; Apr 9, 2023 at 11:01 AM.







